Ep 340: The Pass Rush with Stevie & the Legacy of the Smalls: Sports, Education, and Family Pride in Austin's History

Stepping into the shoes of the Small family feels like walking through the pages of Austin, Texas history, where every corner reveals a story about education, sports, and unshakeable family pride. Clint and Ed Small joined us in a heartwarming celebration of their ancestors, taking us back to the times of Ed's great-grandfather and the middle school that stands as a testament to his legacy. The family's athletic prowess isn't left in the past, though, as we reminisced about Ed's grandfather's iconic catch for the University of Texas, a moment that's more than just a highlight—it's a thread in the fabric of their rich heritage.

Venturing beyond family tales, our dialogue took a turn through the hallowed halls of academia, with personal anecdotes of how college shaped our careers—not just within the lines of a sports field but beyond it, in the realms of building and construction. Education was the compass that guided us, and the mentorship of individuals like Will Pryor acted as a beacon, proving that the influence of a good teacher reverberates through generations. As we tackled the evolution of high school athletics, the hurdles today's student-athletes face became apparent, underscoring a landscape that's shifted and grown more complex over the years.

We capped off our discussion with a forward gaze, looking ahead to the future of sports seasons with the same competitive spirit that's been the hallmark of the Small clan. Ed's decision to play both football and baseball, a path less traveled in college athletics, opened up a conversation about the benefits of multi-sport participation. As we wrapped up, we couldn't help but throw in some predictions for the sports seasons ahead, debating the likely outcomes with the same passion that's fueled the family's love for the game for over a century.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:03

You, you, how about this? This is a true Family legacy. Happens to be friends of mine up in the top right. When we started this it was like the Brady Bunch switch positions over here, but Clint Ned Small next to me on the right and then of course, big Stevie Lee on the bottom. He's carrying our weight. I mean, that's kind of like your golf game, right? You care everyone's weight, stevie.

Speaker 2: 1:10

No, I don't.

Speaker 1: 1:15

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Speaker 2: 1:37

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Speaker 1: 1:46

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Speaker 1: 2:14

And Clint Small, the dad, and there's his son, ed, and it's just a great story that the small family Ed is now. I mean, if you haven't heard of his him yet, he is a two-spark Mega superstar growing in the state of Texas. I mean, he's going to have his choice of where he wants to go in either sport. But I'll start with you, ed, and when you, when you start, people start talking about the small family, when they realize all the Austin roots that you have and then realizing who your dad is, your grandfather and great-grandfather, I mean, where do you begin with that story?

Speaker 3: 2:53

Probably began with the beginning, my great-grandfather and then how, my grandfather. We have small middle school near after him. I get a lot of questions about that. They always ask me a small middle school near after you? And I go yes, it is. It's just a rich history here in Austin and it's really cool to be a part of the small middle school named after your great-grandfather, right Great-grandfather. No, grandfather, I grandfather actually yes.

Speaker 2: 3:20

Yes, sir, yeah, got you. That's awesome. And where is it located?

Speaker 4: 3:25

It's moderate Oaks in 290 Southwest Austin. So did you grow up in that, in that area, clint. No, sir, I grew up in Central Austin, went to Austin High Daddy went to McCallum. My grandfather moved down here when he went to Texas and Anyway they're both very involved with the school district, very involved with education in the legislature and the school district in 98 99 had some new schools coming on and they decided to name that middle school after my grandfather.

Speaker 2: 4:09

Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 4:12

Clint, I mean I will one thing I want to tell the viewers, whether you're here in Austin or across Texas, other parts of the country, I mean we're gonna backpedal this to two or three generations ago. I mean, clint, I want one thing about this family. You could probably flip a coin to figure out whose name? What? Because really only two names. That Is, it's Clinton and it's just a pride, prideful part of their family, but it's on the left, that's your, that's your grandpa and that's main thing for the most part right.

Speaker 4: 4:43

Yes, that's my grandfather, charles Clinton, small junior, and so we're on the fourth Clinton, ed's the fifth Clinton, or Edward Clinton, but, yep, but if you look at him closely and you look at Ed closely. There's there, they're pretty. They resemble each other a whole lot. If you look at my father they there's a famous Zim ones that runs through us all pretty strongly.

Speaker 2: 5:11

Wow, that's a strong jaw on that young fellow right there man.

Speaker 4: 5:16

That's. That's 1935, Stevie.

Speaker 2: 5:19

Yeah man, he looks like an all American.

Speaker 1: 5:23

I mean, when you move on to Clint, your dad, ed, your grandfather, played it's tied in for Daryl Royle right at Texas out of McCallum High School. I mean there's the picture on the right. That was a huge catch against Oklahoma and he had a bigger one in a different game that I'm missing, or was that? Was he known for this one against Oklahoma?

Speaker 4: 5:46

That was his big catch. That was that beat Oklahoma in 67. Oklahoma was undefeated and ended up going on and winning the national championship that year, but they didn't have bowl games. Or they had bowl games but they have a national championship game. That was their only loss of the season. And the next picture, which I don't know if you have, you see him getting hit under the back hip on the left side. Yeah, he kind of gets flipped over. He ends up catching it the ball between hands and down between his elbows, but he hangs on. But it's pretty amazing when you see that picture being blowed up. You can see the fans faces in the background. You know the black and white it's, it's it's. It's pretty neat to see everybody's expressions. You know of that picture.

Speaker 1: 6:36

Ed, when you see the, I mean what age did you finally? When you saw these and you realize, wow, that's my great, great grandfather, my grandfather. And when did you realize, wow, I have not. You have to fulfill, do what they did. But that kind of motivates you to realize where you're from and maybe what your potential could be as far as athletics.

Speaker 3: 6:59

Yeah, definitely. I actually have the picture on the right hang up my room. It's in these like big wooden panels in my room, which is pretty cool. Yeah, it's definitely a rich history of athletics in my family. I mean, even down to, like my generation. Almost all my cousins are playing D1 sports right now or are still in high school. But it's really cool to see and just it motivates me and, I guess, my cousins, to go on that path and pursue athletics like my grandfather, grandfather.

Speaker 2: 7:30

Well, what? What year in high school are you? I'm a junior, you're a junior, and so do you have that short list of colleges yet?

Speaker 3: 7:39

I don't know. I'm still got to keep my options up right now.

Speaker 2: 7:44

So I hear you. No, I hear you. I want you to reveal anything with these kids doing those, those college reveals, like doing gender reveals nowadays, and I know I'm going to let you keep your thunder man. So Clint man, or Papa Clint I should call you how did you get away from Austin and go all the way up to Vanderbilt?

Speaker 4: 8:07

Wow, so you know, we were talking a little bit beforehand and you had your. You told me about your path and your options were open and it was similar with me. I didn't have the skill set that you did, I didn't, I didn't go to get the same visits that you did, but my, I was pointing in the direction of getting a, you know, a great education and so I got pointed in that path. I was excited about Texas. David McWilliams came and looked at me several times. I wouldn't, I wouldn't quite big enough. The offer me to come, you know, be a P W O and do that, do that deal. And and then I was looking at a bunch of Ivy schools and some academies and SMUs and TCUs of the world. And then Bandy called and went up there and just went up there and just absolutely fell in love with it and ended up there.

Speaker 4: 9:07

And you know best friends in my life and great education. And you know one of your mentors and one of my mentors is, you know, our good friend Will Pryor. And you know I just love the fact that I chose Vanderbilt and it was. It was great for me and for my. You know where I am today? No man, I think that's.

Speaker 2: 9:28

That's a great great story because I feel the same way about the University of Texas with the people that I've met when I, when I, when I got there, how I'm lifelong friends with them now and I had.

Speaker 2: 9:42

We do have a mutual friend from back in Shreveport, wilbur Wilbur Pryor, will Pryor, and when you said that you know going to academic route and going and going to a school like Bandy, I think that's a great, great story.

Speaker 2: 9:58

Like Bandy, will is probably one of the smartest people I know and when I was in high school when I met him, he, he just dropped knowledge and wisdom on me, you know, and I always wanted to be around him whenever our our mutual friend Will Will and I's mutual friend Marshall he's, who's also an attorney in Shreveport, would get us all together and and, honestly, man, that was the first time that I met a young, very, very successful black attorney in Shreveport, louisiana, you know.

Speaker 2: 10:38

And so it was just inspiring that he, you know, pulled himself up by his bootstraps, went up to to Vanderbilt, got a great education, played football and and got to have a really good friendship and relationship with you. But he was just inspiring to me as a young man in high school, thinking outside of football, because I knew then that football was just a catalyst to get me to where I need to be. Football was my body was going to go out on me at some point, to where I needed to do something else and Will put that in my head that there's going to be life out of football and you need to be thinking about that. So that was that's. That's my little two cents on the camaraderie that you get within college, you know.

Speaker 4: 11:26

Yep, yes, sir.

Speaker 1: 11:28

So before, before we keep that love I'm a big, since I'm an ADHD guy. I love photos, love this. You know you'd think I was eight years old. I'm always looking at photos. But if you look at Clint, I mean, don't sell yourself short, Clint. This is when he was at Austin High, loyal, forever, Maroon. There's a striking resemblance there with you and Ed and I have to admit not because I'm an AISD homer or product of, but this was on the front end of the last great decade of AISD athletics or for football, and back then you played. What was it? There were, it was the district champion and the runner up got into the post. That was a good district right.

Speaker 4: 12:13

Two of us. Yes, sir, and Westlake had just come in, but only two teams UIL, two teams for district came out. And so you know, we back then. I can go on a soapbox, but I go into inner city schools. Any school district over over three high schools is they are handcuffed relative to single member school districts these days, and so that was not the case back then. So you had Dallas Carter's and you had the Houston Yates right, and then you had some big programs coming out. But in Austin you had LBJ, you had Reagan right, you had we weren't Austin High. It wasn't any good. But you know Crockett would jump in there every now and then, and Westlake Mark Burdock, they would make some runs, and so it was a different time. You know missed those days, especially for AISD. We're very, very supportive of AISD and want the best for AISD and all AISD athletics, but it's we're up against it today relative to 1990. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:31

It's changed drastically and you know I had to throw it up there. I mean, I know this is about this family and Ed right now, but also I mean for everyone's always looking and Steve and I talk about this a lot for some form of motivation. This is the beginning of a new year. Everyone has a goal or a resolution or several, but you kind of utilized your relationships and from Vanderbilt to where you are now with your company I mean Clint Small Custom Homes I mean how did all that start? I mean you have it's quite a background, quite a story I know Well yeah, I coming out of Andy.

Speaker 4: 14:14

You know our friend Will Pryor, steve, he's in our mentor. He's mentored me and both Steve. But he was attorney and I got into the LBJ school and went to public affairs school back here in Texas and went to capital. I was thinking I'd be an attorney, similar to my father and grandfather and quite honestly I just could not stand to wear a suit and ride at work every day. I just got tired of it after about four years and nobody wears suit and ties anymore. But you know, in the early 90s we still were in the mid 90s and so I got out and learned from my father, my grandfather, working out at the farm, just building stuff, working with the hands, and I ended up getting a great job with a builder named Brian Bailey and he was one of the best and I've been building ever since.

Speaker 2: 15:09

So you do have a degree from the University of Texas.

Speaker 4: 15:14

Almost, steve. I went to the LBJ school and I walked across the stage and I have a piece of paper that says when you turn, your thesis will give you your diploma. And that was almost 30 years ago.

Speaker 2: 15:33

Did I hear somebody laughing in the background?

Speaker 4: 15:39

That's a running jug in the family, but I put that in. Not that I use resumes anymore, but I'll put thesis pending. And I had terrible grades at Vanderbilt. I did my best I could, but when I went to LBJ school, I don't know I had a three, five or better and I never wrote my thesis and I just come on man, come on, are you able to go ahead and write that in turn, then I would love for you to write that for me, ai.

Speaker 1: 16:13

AI will do it.

Speaker 4: 16:20

I'm not a really good example for my kids. As far as I think about it, Nah, he's okay man, he's like dad.

Speaker 2: 16:28

It's okay. That thesis gave me a. That, without having a thesis, gave me a great life. So you're good man.

Speaker 1: 16:36

We're gonna bring up Circleback. You're in about 10 or 12 minutes about your wife laughing in the background about her and your daughter. I definitely. I just want to show talk about more about Ed, because this is, this is unreal what you're. You're, you're gonna pretty much write your ticket if you continue this path where you are. I know right now you're one of the, I would say, the top five baseball players in the state of Texas for your class football and I'm going to bring up the stats in a minute. But Stevie, I mean I don't know, I've never met whether it be friends with or in my former career, someone who is as high a performer or the top 5% of for two different major sports. I mean, ed, you don't even think about it. You just it's just love. I mean passion, I mean what I mean. Now you've got some big decisions and I know in the end it's gonna be your decision.

Speaker 3: 17:38

Yeah, sir, yes, sir, um, definitely, uh, this spring will be big um, which is baseball, and then recruiting for football.

Speaker 4: 17:47

Um Well, back up and tell him. Tell him how it started in ninth grade.

Speaker 3: 17:52

Um well, it really started in eighth grade, eighth grade, so my eighth grade spring I heard my arms. I didn't really play, but then, when the summer of my eighth year going into my freshman year, I had a really good summer in baseball. Um, then I started talking, because baseball recruiting starts a lot, uh, earlier than football does. So I had a few calls with I think it was like Tennessee, tcu, stanford, like a few in Texas too, and in Duke maybe, and then, but Texas was calling me the most, it seemed like. And then I went to a camp, um, the following January and I did well at that camp and then the next weekend I got offered for baseball and then I committed right on the like, right after I got the offer, um, which is pretty cool yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:41

You committed to Texas. Right now, are you you kind of backing out of that?

Speaker 3: 18:46

I'm still committed for baseball, yes, sir.

Speaker 2: 18:49

You're still committed for baseball.

Speaker 3: 18:50

Yes, sir.

Speaker 2: 18:51

Okay, all right, man, you're about to break my heart because I saw the, uh, I saw the commitment to Texas right here, man, and so congratulations. That's awesome, dude. And Clint, that's actually awesome to have a kid, um, that you don't have to pay for to go to college. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 19:08

Yes, I have a daughter at Dartmouth, and so I, yes, I feel you. There you go.

Speaker 1: 19:16

So this is what I was talking about, stevie Um, since it's freshman year, I mean not many people can dream up these numbers and he still hasn't season to go in football. I mean it's unreal 153 receptions, almost 2,500 yards. This is just receiving, and or is that? Is that receiving, or did I get it wrong, or is that?

Speaker 3: 19:43

combined. I think that's receiving, but I my freshman year got cut short because I uh so.

Speaker 4: 19:47

So you didn't get his freshman year stats, what he's trying to say, but he has uh. He has uh to kick off returns, uh for touchdowns as well.

Speaker 3: 20:00

I've thrown to. I mean, he's thrown to touch. I didn't get one this year, which kind of which was unfortunate. I was hoping to get one every year, but maybe we get one this coming year.

Speaker 1: 20:08

Stevie, he's one of those guys that teams, I'd say, two thirds of the time they have to gang tackle every time.

Speaker 2: 20:17

That's you. You know what I would say, something you must got that, uh, that, that lower body strength like your dad. Huh, sir, sir.

Speaker 3: 20:28

I got to speak to my mom and strength from my dad.

Speaker 2: 20:35

There you go, man Cause. I talked to Wilbur William prior and, um, he told me your dad's nickname. Do you know your dad's nickname From college? Yeah, and he wrote to me. He said, not from the rapper, but from other reasons. I'll let him tell you that reason.

Speaker 1: 20:56

Why don't we have Clint tell us where he got, how that name came about?

Speaker 4: 20:59

I mean it was, it was the first day of two of days and so back then Stevie, uh, actually year a little bit later, so I don't know if y'all broke off, but freshman came in still um, and when I was there at 90 and we had four days of two of days with the freshman only and the varsity and they varsity was all around, but they were, you know, they weren't practicing with us the very first day from, uh, uh, derek Bozier, from Hansville, louisiana, where Hansville is a big boss man, big boss man, he walking around and I'm going to shower and and he just says, gosh, damn, you have the biggest ass of any wife I've ever seen. And you know I was in biggie Smalls, was blowing up, and I mean, from then on I was biggie, smalls, smalls. I'm my kids, everybody knows it. You know, I'm just biggie.

Speaker 2: 21:53

So yeah, I love it, man, that's awesome. So, uh, you get your lower body strength from your dad, yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:02

Let us in from mama. Yeah, man, so this is so I gotta. I gotta say thanks again, because who goes to San Antonio, which is 80 miles away or, depending on what's out of town, a hundred, but plays golf, hustles back for a podcast and that's. This is the reason why I mean the all-american, which is the high school all-star game. All-american game is san itinerary. They have a national combine for underclassmen, is that right? Well, I mean, you've been in a few of these, right? Is this the biggest one you've been a part of?

Speaker 3: 22:37

This is the biggest one I've been a part of so far.

Speaker 1: 22:40

What, uh, did you kind of have an opportunity? I mean, is it basically the top positions, top at each position in the country?

Speaker 3: 22:49

Yeah, so there's a. There was like 600 or so people there, so it was a pretty big event and they send out invites like throughout the fall. They have like recruiting coordinators that go to games all across the country, and then I got invited after the Dell Valley game this year because there was a guy there from I think it's uh, same as Anthony Williams.

Speaker 3: 23:09

Oh yeah, great good, human Williams, little coach, yeah. And then we got there the day before it was on Friday, we got there Thursday and then it was all all day Friday. It was a long day, but it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 23:23

No, that's well worth it. And you got to play one of the golf courses on my list that probably don't want me there, because I will create a ton of divots in this beautiful course. There's absolutely no doubt that'll happen. Stevie, that will. I mean. I need lessons from you.

Speaker 2: 23:39

No, you don't need lessons from me at all. My uh, my golf game consists of a lot of cigars and drinking, so it's social, it's a social hour for me, that's a great question. I got a quick question, man. Um, being a two sport athlete, uh, do you get this all the time. I want to ask you where are you leaning what? What sport are you leaning towards?

Speaker 3: 24:05

I'm leaning towards football right now.

Speaker 2: 24:07

Yeah, now do you want to be one of those dual athletes in college?

Speaker 3: 24:12

I'm thinking about it. I'm not quite sure right now. I'm gonna see how the spring goes, just with baseball. It's with every one. Yeah, because we?

Speaker 2: 24:20

we don't hardly see that these days, right, clint?

Speaker 4: 24:23

No, sir, no it's, it's uncommon, um, you know, just, I'm his dad, but but I can, I'm gonna be. Uh, I think I can be honest about it. He has the ability to do it and it will. It will take, but it will take the right situation right. It'll take the right institution coaches to understand and to be willing to, to let them play both. Uh, skill wise, physically he can, he can play both at a power 5d1 level. Um, but uh, it's just gonna take the right opportunity and the right coaching and the right, you know uh, support staff.

Speaker 1: 25:09

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:11

I was gonna ask you know, coaches and I this is something that, um, I mean my opinion does not matter, but you hear it a lot with a lot of you know, some of the 5a, 6a schools in Texas, uh, focus on one sport more. I'm totally against that. Yes, sir, I mean, surely you're a huge advocate against that, because everyone matures differently as far as their body physically. And Clint, you know, I mean you, you work with young people and develop in baseball. I mean, are you an advocate of that too, or am I off base on that?

Speaker 3: 25:46

No, I mean I I think it's great, just because I mean, first of all, if you play one sport year round, you can get burnt out real easily, and so taking breaks from each one is very important just to get your mind reset to play the sport and the season that it requires. Um, because baseball means a long season, I mean I'll start, I mean we'll start in a few days when we get back to school, and then it'll go till May and then I've been playing summer ball and that goes till the end of July. So the season's real long and it's easy to just get caught up in it and like get lazy and like a mindset of playing every day and so taking a break in the fall playing football, um, it's great just to get everything reset and have a just a new perspective on the sport.

Speaker 1: 26:35

I mean I'll have to add. I mean, if you have not seen him play um to me, I don't think you you've never not enjoyed every down. You're having fun. Yes, sir, I mean, and Clint, do you kind of see? I mean I know we're tied to Anderson high school, but and uh, stevie, you gotta watch this next season. Seriously, just check, check him out. I feel like you've kind of elevated everyone else around you. Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 3: 27:03

I think so. I think, just as I've like grown each year. Um, it was kind of hard to leave freshman year because I was like the new guy on the bar, but then it built into sophomore year and I was more vocal, and especially this past year I was definitely more vocal and just lifting everyone up, especially because we had a, a young team. This year we had a bunch of sophomores having to play and we didn't have. We had like how many seniors like 15? I mean like 15? A lot, yeah. So we barely had any um, but now our, our junior class is pretty strong. So I think this this next year should be at least my best year here at Anderson and hopefully make the push for the playoffs.

Speaker 2: 27:44

Well, whenever we finish a season, man, we never call ourselves juniors anymore. You're a senior now. I guess I am a senior you are a senior now.

Speaker 2: 27:51

So, uh, in the off season workouts in the summertime, man, you take, take control of the team, just like you're a senior, because you are now. You are the leader on the team and it already sounds like you. You know that, but I'm just, I'm preaching to the choir. You are a senior now. So take, take control of it, man, and have fun. Just have fun. I, I remember my high school days. I'm sure your dad remember his high school days, and just that's the main thing right now. It's just to have fun, relax and play your game. Yes, sir, yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:21

Hey, clint, I was gonna ask you you know you talk about. I know we were harped on everyone playing multiple sports right now, but at that high level I mean we saw it when we you and I were younger. You saw the Seymour Rens do it, peter Gardier do it at Texas. There were a couple of Johnny Walker baseball football. Do you think it's just too much of a demand or just takes a very unique talent or person, because nowadays it just seems like there's more of a demand to do that at that high level.

Speaker 4: 28:58

I think coaches, the high school coaches, will preach playing multiple sports. I think they believe in that. Some programs, bigger programs that are I'm going back to a single school district just big craziness and and I think there's actually a little bit more pressure from parent to family and to to to focus on one versus the other within the group. But I, I think every head coach would say if you want to play basketball, you want to play baseball. If you want to go wrestle, you play football, don't do all that. I honestly think they'll see that Now, to do it at a high level is is something.

Speaker 4: 29:46

It takes a little. Somebody special as a baseball team, a select baseball team in the summer is one of the top 10 in the country for the last three, four years and on that team he's got, you know, players who I would say until last year but there were half of them at least were dual sport athletes, right and so, and they are high level baseball guys. I think are seven guys on his summer team that are already committed to play college and more 10 now and so and so there's a when you get to that level, it's, it's, it's great, but to then to your point to be able to play both in college. You know it takes, it takes, it takes an institution and it takes a player and a family to to make all that come together.

Speaker 2: 30:44

So yeah well, I've had this argument before with, uh, with friends, I think um, I think it still can be done. I just don't think that coaches are being collaborative, right? So the baseball coach wants it full time and then the football coach wants it full time, and um and so. But for a two sport athlete to actually be successful at both, these two coaches going to have to work together to mentor and uh and lead this athlete. You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 31:21

So so our head baseball coach is Ed's wide receiver coach.

Speaker 2: 31:26

Oh, there you go oh, there you go, so, and that's why we got it right now. So if that wasn't the case, then we may be looking at something totally different.

Speaker 4: 31:38

So you have to have the institution, whether it be college or high school, but the coaches have to be aligned right.

Speaker 2: 31:43

They have to be aligned and collab together, man and um, what do we say? Uh, collab without ego, right, because there's going to be times where the baseball coach's going to need them more and the football coach is going to have to kind of put the backseat on practice a little bit, you know, and so they just really have to collab, I guess. So I don't think that college coaches are doing that nowadays. It's just, I think, the pressures of high salaries that we're paying these guys too that they want to keep their, their, their athletes to themselves, you know.

Speaker 4: 32:20

I think Allison uh told me other day I think there's seven to nine, 15 division, one uh athletes that are playing both in power, five. There's only you know two or three and so it's hard, that's that's a very minute.

Speaker 2: 32:40

Yeah, that's very, very small. That's um in a and a sport with what? 116 d1 schools, you know, and so you only have five players doing it.

Speaker 1: 32:51

So I'm happy to be sitting here with somebody that's going to be doing it, you know hey, ed, speaking of that, I mean you're not going to allow pressure from anyone or any direction to you know, push a date on you or make a decision, ideally. How do you want to handle this as far as when you finally make up, do you have a time frame, or is it just you're going to go with your gut feeling?

Speaker 3: 33:18

um, I'm definitely going to wait until next fall and just see how it all hands out. I don't want to rush anything really, yeah, okay okay, first I heard that I don't know.

Speaker 2: 33:32

No, I mean say listen, hey. And now so back in the days when we were being recruited, clint, like they didn't fly our families out and things that you know, you all enjoy the fruits of his late or your labor and his labor's man, these schools, um yeah yeah, but no, you're right.

Speaker 4: 33:50

I mean we didn't. We didn't go on. We didn't go on a recruiting trips. We didn't talk to anybody other than a letter and a mail until November of your senior year. Yeah, and you get a six weeks to figure it out.

Speaker 2: 34:04

Yeah let these, let these schools spend all this money on him. Man, yeah, man. So if you don't do it, the hey man make a commitment on the last possible day that you can, you know man, that's uh you know, money you can't get man because we didn't get it yeah, that's another factor.

Speaker 1: 34:22

I mean that's I don't know how much that's been discussed on your recruiting, but now I'm starting to hear from, uh, other friends of mine's who kids are going through it and NILs are entirely different animal as far as recruiting. I mean, I I don't know how much that'll sway a decision, but man, if someone can provide me a salary for just showing up and going to class and practicing, that would weigh heavy in my decision.

Speaker 2: 34:48

Yeah, that's our decision, though, man. That's because of us. I'm sure that Ed has everything that he needs and he can make a decision based on academics and athletics. He doesn't have to worry about the NIL money, but get as much as you can, sir. But you know, it would have been different for me, man, it would have been the money, the academics, football, the high second.

Speaker 1: 35:18

Tweet a little bit, make an Instagram appearance.

Speaker 4: 35:20

Yeah exactly. We haven't talked to anybody about NIL. Made zero conversations.

Speaker 4: 35:29

That's kind of encouraging actually Getting committed to Texas baseball for two years, zero conversations. You know TCU offer zero conversations. Other school, just that That'll. I think that'll just be organic and that'll happen. When it happens. That's not going to be something that we bring up. You know it's Ed's decision for the right institution, the right academics, the right fit, the right feel, the right playing time, right the right you know. So it's. You know he's a. He's a slot receiver and in most people's mind he can play outside all day long, but he's six foot and a lot of coaches may just put him as a slot, and so he also got to find out what the best offense is for a slot receiver, got you, got you.

Speaker 1: 36:24

That's a really good point.

Speaker 2: 36:25

Ed, did you ever play any defense?

Speaker 3: 36:27

I did in middles. I did all like all grown up. Yeah, I haven't since. I might play some next year though.

Speaker 2: 36:33

What do you like better? Did you like offense better? I?

Speaker 3: 36:36

yeah, well, I played running back from Pop Warner all the way to eighth grade and then when I got to Anderson I played receiver, I played outside of receiver in my freshman year and then I played slot the last two years. That's awesome.

Speaker 1: 36:50

He's built for the slot. Let's talk about two young ladies here. First of all, clint's wife, your mother. She's the only Hall of Famer in your family.

Speaker 4: 37:01

Yeah, I'll bring her in, I'll hold them. Yeah, she said not. Okay, she said absolutely not. She is the only Hall of Famer in our family.

Speaker 1: 37:12

Yes, she was at a division. What is it? She's division three.

Speaker 4: 37:18

She went to Denison. She's in their Hall of Fame and she still holds the record for most points scored, and I guess her senior year she was an all-American division three basketball player point guard.

Speaker 1: 37:35

Look at that. Wow, lots of ballers in the small family.

Speaker 2: 37:41

Wait, so wait. Your wife played basketball. Yes, sir Okay. And your daughter played lacrosse. Yes, she played lacrosse at Dartmouth. Yeah, yeah, gotcha man, just athletic family all around.

Speaker 1: 37:54

Ah, that's beautiful. That's a pretty cool story. Hey, you guys, this is something we've had. I know this was this episode 340. We've had at least. Everybody wants to offer two, we try to get one. So we had over 600 different man cave stories, which are phenomenal. I mean, some of the stories they should not have told because they came from the locker room, but it was hilarious, I loved it. Is there anything that any story that you guys as a family remember that happened, or maybe anything sports related that is as comical today as it was when it happened?

Speaker 4: 38:30

For me, you know it stuck with me. For you know, the last 40, 35 years was when big boss man Derek Rosier, nick made me biggie, you know. Day two going into the showers, like you know, you got the biggest ass many white men have ever seen. And that's just carried on for 35 years. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2: 38:52

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 38:53

A locker room story.

Speaker 1: 38:55

That's good stuff. Did you get those big ass genetics Ed?

Speaker 3: 39:00

Yes.

Speaker 4: 39:05

Unfortunately, everybody on our side of the family, man or woman, has that strength. Now it's a positive right now on their playing athletics and as a cousin who's starting a freshman at Georgia volleyball, she's center. She's six to another cousin starting Michigan lacrosse. She's a senior, she's a middie sisters starting up a Dartmouth attack and then his younger cousins are working their way in that direction too. All of them have pretty thick, pretty thick legs, pretty thick thighs and asses.

Speaker 2: 39:43

That's good stuff, man. It runs in the family bro.

Speaker 1: 39:48

Oh, that's awesome. That is good. It's a little bit of ghetto, you know you got to get that. Little thickness is never is never a bad thing.

Speaker 7: 40:04

No, no, no no.

Speaker 2: 40:08

You went to certain ranks, a lot huh SLA tricks with an Oakland moody Baby got back in here huh, one of the teams that didn't make it but had a great year.

Speaker 1: 40:22

But we'll start with Ed. You know you've got Michigan, midwest type team physical. Then you got Washington, the team that knocked Texas out, who I think a lot of people think the best quarterback in the country who wins.

Speaker 3: 40:39

I think Michigan's going to win just because their defense is so good and Washington's receivers are pretty much unguardable. But Will Johnson's Michigan's best corner and he's going to be on what's his name? The number one on Washington. It's like Rome and doon say he's going to go out in the whole game. I think Michigan's going to slow it down to where it's lower scoring.

Speaker 4: 41:01

What do you think, clint? We were fortunate to go up to the Michigan Ohio State to the game, thanks, and and I actually not going back to the house, we're one ticket short. But Michigan stout, right they are. They are defensively in offensive line, even though they lost that left guard center in that game. They are just really strong and I think that they're. I think they're on a mission you know for for hardball for the last three years getting knocked out. I think. I think it's their year.

Speaker 1: 41:45

I agree, stevie, you kind of feel the same way.

Speaker 2: 41:48

No, not at all. Not at all. No, I got Washington man, even though they kicked us out. Yeah, pinnocks, if you really watch the game against us Texas and Washington game our DBS were actually there. Yeah, yeah, that he was so good. Pinnocks just can't be stopped. Yeah, he was dropping the ball in the exact spot where it needs to be. We even got hands on the ball and they still caught it right. So you can't be a quarterback when you are guarding him perfectly.

Speaker 2: 42:34

There was some big plays and they beat us off of explosive plays. Right, we had a few explosive plays in the end because we had to get them, but we were like driving down the field like you're supposed to do and eating up the clock. We were playing the game like we wanted to, on offense for the most part. There were some drives that stalled, but Pinnocks found a way to win. He's the X factor that had them winning the game because, just like and getting his receivers in stride, our DBS were there on them with almost perfect coverage, and the only reason I don't say perfect coverage because the receiver caught the ball, just because where the ball was placed, and so I got Washington. He's going to continue to do that. He is the best quarterback in the country. Shout out to the kid from LSU that got the Heisman. But once again they got it wrong. They got it wrong because we all know that Vince. Can we all agree to venture the one over Reggie Bulls?

Speaker 1: 43:43

Yes, Absolutely Hands down.

Speaker 2: 43:46

Thank you. You rolled your eyes a little bit, Clint, when you said that.

Speaker 4: 43:49

Because it's just such a silly comment, it's a statement, of course. I mean, he's the best all year. All Reggie did, he was great, but he had that one flip in the end zone on the left side and he had another got to flip the on the right side and he got eyeballs and that was it.

Speaker 2: 44:05

Yeah, and sports writers sometimes should not be sports writers.

Speaker 4: 44:08

It was 100%.

Speaker 1: 44:10

I will agree on that one.

Speaker 2: 44:14

The ones that vote should not be voting sometimes you know.

Speaker 7: 44:18

So no, no.

Speaker 2: 44:18

Pinnocks is. I believe he's the best quarterback in the country and he's going to lead his team to victory, I believe.

Speaker 1: 44:25

I'm with Ed and Clint the reason why I say that.

Speaker 2: 44:28

Come on man.

Speaker 1: 44:29

Oh, listen, listen. You saw how well Texas ran against that defense. They couldn't stop the Texas run until they started fumbling. That's Michigan's run, a game they're going to eat, they're going to win time of possession, maybe double it, and they're going to run all day. That's all they need to do, okay.

Speaker 2: 44:51

All right Okay.

Speaker 1: 44:55

But they're going to give up 27 points.

Speaker 2: 45:01

No more than that. More than that, Pinnocks cannot be stopped. No one stopped them yet.

Speaker 1: 45:09

I'll say 31, 27, michigan.

Speaker 2: 45:12

Okay, all right.

Speaker 1: 45:13

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:14

All right, all right. So y'all going to all be buying me a drink and a pizza.

Speaker 1: 45:24

Hey, clint and Ed, I appreciate you guys making time for this. Really do it's a. It's too good a story Not to tell. Everyone needs to know. I know it's a. When you guys do interviews, it's made about what what Ed is doing right now, when's he about recruiting, and I know it's repetitive, but you and your family have a great story and I was like man, we can't miss this Especially right now because you're going to be gone before it's all said and done.

Speaker 1: 45:48

Then we get into a university. We can't talk to you, no.

Speaker 2: 45:52

I think that you guys the story is awesome. I love that you guys can can trace it and go all the way back to 1935, man, that is, that is something that you should hang on to and chairs. And then you're you know, clint obviously marrying up with Marrying another athlete. You know, and you know, people tell me all the time I'll kick my coverage too. So yeah, thanks, clint, so yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:26

I mean it's a.

Speaker 2: 46:26

y'all have a great story, man. Y'all embrace it and you can tell that you guys are, are tight knit family. So, man, just continue to love on each other, and, and, and, and. Wish you all the success in the world, man. Thank you, yeah, yeah, we'll definitely keep in touch.

Speaker 1: 46:46

And, by the way, stevie, what cool story there. When he was playing for Matt Brown, his now wife, summer, was a cheerleader at Texas. How about that?

Speaker 4: 46:56

Pretty cool story.

Speaker 2: 46:58

Yeah, I married up man. I'm telling you, dude, I'll kick my. What we have to do, do what.

Speaker 1: 47:00

I tried once and it failed, but it won't these days. We'll do it again. No time soon, though man Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2: 47:10

It's a story of life. Hey, thanks guys. I appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 1: 47:14

You guys, you guys, happy new year.

Speaker 4: 47:15

We'll see you guys soon and on the other side.

Speaker 1: 47:18

Look, we have two division champions in the Lone Star State. We'll talk about. I cannot wait to hear Stevie's feedback on that and we'll talk about it. I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to talk about it. I'm going to talk about it, I'm going to talk about it, I'm going to talk about it. Let me explain. Haha, we'll be back on that.

Speaker 6: 47:38

준's set a record. But for now here's a Stevie Lee acting here at Hargrove Roofing. We tried to think outside the box, to kind of get the creative juices flowing. So I brought in my friend Stevie Le, harmful highest tackle for the Texas Longhorns.

Speaker 2: 47:53

Uh, he's going to help the team strategize, really motivate them light of fire. This guys going to block down. Mike Linebacker gets free to do what.

Speaker 6: 48:02

Not only are they gonna learn a thing or two, but they're gonna also leave with a great attitude and a bunch of smiles on their faces.

Speaker 1: 48:10

I'm sorry, what does this?

Speaker 3: 48:11

have to do with roofing. Exactly, get out Right now. I said get out.

Speaker 6: 48:20

For me, that's what it's all about. It's just having fun making our employees have a great time. Hard-grow Roofing Know who's on your roof.

Speaker 2: 48:45

We got special people in this room. This is a special group of men. Believe it.

Speaker 1: 48:49

Continue to lean on each other, continue to trust in each other, we can go as far as we want to go. How about that, dude who? Would have guessed the Texas, they've won. I mean, they've lost like 26 games in the last two years. And here we go, the Brady Bunch boxes all over the damn place. I just think CJ Stroud, if he would not have missed two games, he's probably the player of the year.

Speaker 2: 49:15

Yeah, he came along towards the end of the year, man, I was surprised at the way he played and picked up the offense that easily. But it's really cool to have the two Texas teams in the playoffs this year.

Speaker 1: 49:32

Man, it's really neat 10-7, the Texans record, and I've you know. Here's something funny D'Amico Ryan's the Texans head coach Toward the last see. I covered the Texans in person when they started with the training camp. D'amico Ryan's, I think, arrived in the third or fourth year. I think in the fifth he was a defensive lineman. And look full circle, man, he's the head coach. Well spoken, incredibly intelligent, knows how to relate players and dig, to touch and reach every player who's a grown man, man that's saying something in three, 26 losses in the previous two years. And look at him now.

Speaker 2: 50:20

Yeah, no, they're definitely on this upward trajectory. I think they're ahead of schedule right now too. Yeah, so they could be good for a long time if they you know draft correctly and make some the correct trade to get some people around CJ, and they can be good for a long time.

Speaker 1: 50:49

How about them?

Speaker 2: 50:49

cowboys baby. How about them cowboys man? You know? Funny story. I was in AT&T stadium this morning, my friend Philip. I went to go see his son play Flag football the you know the whole flag craze going across the world. He had playoffs this today so I went up there to watch him play and His nine you team Wanted championship, so it was really fun to watch. Yep, yeah, man.

Speaker 1: 51:26

So you were there. You gave them good luck. Cowboys, third straight year they finished with 12 wins in the regular season. Nfc East champions. Everybody thought early I mean every game. People need to learn that don't get so caught up in the lead, such as Philly had early in the year, but that press got 35 touchdown passes this year. I really think he's had a great year. I really do. And you know Micah Parsons tremendous. I mean, it's unreal what he has done. He is the leader. I think he's had 40 plus sacks Already already. But guess who they play?

Speaker 2: 52:05

they're gonna host the wildcard round, they're gonna host Green Bay and Green Bay has Dallas's number in the postseason mmm it's time to end that the Houston Texans and the Dallas Cowboys are in the playoffs and you know the University of Texas was represented in the college football playoffs. Man, texas football is looking really, really good right now, all around well.

Speaker 1: 52:30

They are. But there are some questions here because, as you move forward, I mean, we're all. We all know that the transfer portal is not going anywhere and it and I like is it's existence.

Speaker 1: 52:40

It just needs to evolve. But here's all the and it's. Some of these shocked me. In addition to the guys who declared for the NFL draft, that being Jonathan Brooks, byron Murphy, jt Sanders, ryan Watts going to the NFL draft, of course, jordan Whittington and X Xavier Worthy, these are all the portal entries from the Longhorns. I Mean what does this tell you? I mean we you got jaren Thompson, who has played significant downs for Texas over the last three years, leaving. What does that tell you? As someone who is a lot more in the know than I probably am, more than likely.

Speaker 2: 53:25

Honestly, clint, sometimes I don't know. Yeah, like jaren, I don't know why he would. He would go into the transfer portal, right, and there's some. There's some other kids at other schools that I don't know why. Now it could be he needs a payday, so putting himself out there and this is just speculation, I don't, I don't know this for sure and anything like that but he may need the money At this point to go out there and test how much he could get in the transfer portal. That could be a factor, I don't know, but it's mind-boggling to me.

Speaker 2: 54:10

When you get significant playing time, you know you're gonna get even more playing time coming up. Why would you hit the portal, you know? So we do need to figure this whole thing out and see what's actually going on and and and why these kids or are and again, we don't get paid the big bucks to figure this out, no, the coaches do right, and I've got a feeling there ain't four raises coming up this year too. So they got to figure out how we need to keep the people that we want to keep. Yeah, and the same breath in the same breath.

Speaker 2: 54:47

Now, you know, we don't know if our coaches are telling these kids. Well, you know, we got somebody else coming in that we're gonna take a hard, hard look at, so that person might be playing a little bit more and then some of these kids on this list may get Disgruntled with that, right you know. So it's a, it's a lot that goes on and into it to try to figure out if you're gonna transfer or not. And I hope these kids aren't taking this lightly because this is a big deal, you know no, I agree.

Speaker 2: 55:21

Yeah. So I don't know, man, it's, it's. I want to get to the bottom of it and I think I'm gonna take that as a mission.

Speaker 1: 55:29

Yeah, you know I wanted to do. Saw your Gorham Welch Justice by everybody seeing his name too, because it was covered up right here, you know. But yeah, you know, that's the name of the game now ever. The fans have got to adjust. The fans have got to understand. This is where we are now and it gives kids an opportunity. It's just you, I just don't. I think we need to eliminate Multiple transfers. You get an opportunity to go go somewhere else. It's a better fit without losing. You should never lose eligibility if you're not happy, but you shouldn't be able to go multiple times.

Speaker 2: 55:58

Well, isn't it now to the second transfer? You have to sit out, you lose a year.

Speaker 1: 56:05

Something may have changed today, and I'm not aware of some.

Speaker 2: 56:07

Let's just a wild, wild west man tick talking in a man cave.

Speaker 1: 56:12

Two people I know actually Sam Gannon was my predecessor or successor in Oklahoma City. She's now in Dallas, fort Worth, and she and Mr Ducey, who is the well established Sports director at the Fox affiliate, and that the fddup. Well, they're a team and they do great work and so they're taking on. They took on one of the social media trends and this was absolutely spot-on and hilarious.

Speaker 7: 56:41

Co-hosts. Of course, they paired you with someone 30 years younger to create a different dynamic.

Speaker 5: 56:46

We're co-hosts so of course, every time we're out in public, I get referred to as your dad or, even worse, your grandpa.

Speaker 7: 56:52

We're co-hosts, of course we're gonna complain about different things at the same time, so neither of us can get a word in edge-wise. We're co-hosts, so of course I have to bore you with stories about the good old days and how these days never, ever could compare to the good old Days we're co-hosts, of course, I have to pretend like I'm hearing your stories for the first time and react with the same Enthusiasm, even though I've heard it about 500 times.

Speaker 5: 57:15

We're co-hosts, of course we enjoy doing the show as much as we say we do, just wish I had a little more airtime, you know what I mean, sam.

Speaker 6: 57:28

Gannon.

Speaker 1: 57:29

Mike Ducey that watch or watch them online. No, hmm, they do good work.

Speaker 2: 57:35

That's good stuff.

Speaker 1: 57:36

That's funny, oh my god. That was hilarious and I gotta let her know she finally made the cut on stories inside. The man gave Sam Gannon.

Speaker 2: 57:45

There you go.

Speaker 3: 57:48

Hey, man, tell me something good.

Speaker 1: 57:55

Stevie Lee, it was a rough week getting back into work after all the holidays. Yeah, last week went to work, I showed up and it was sure was difficult mentally. But tell me something good brother.

Speaker 2: 58:08

Man something good. I'm just keep it into Austin. Keep it Austin. Man. Weather's great right now. Get out and do something else, doersie, the Sun is out, it's not too hot, it's not hot at all. Brisk, breezy Air out there, man. Get out and do something, you know. Get some vitamin D, get some sun on you, man.

Speaker 1: 58:31

Everyone needs D. I certain amount each day, absolutely, man, tell you something good. I didn't create any graphic for it, but I Thought it was really cool. You saw it. I didn't expect it to be a, the experience it was, but I know where you're going. Yeah, my mom's house.

Speaker 1: 58:51

I sold it to a young couple and the husband reached out to me and asked me I want to take a tour of they, they, they aligned with the right contractors, everything. The home is stunning, beautiful. He asked me a question. He said what we think your mom would think of this and I said you know, my mom was so stuck in her ways that, oh, this is my beauties, is my palace. I don't want to ever change it. She would have stood in that living room and Chin on the ground and man, I wasn't sad, it was just man, great job, you poor. It was a beautiful home for the, the two prides of Shreveport that being hard-groomed roofing know who's on your roof? Not as good as Stevie and Stevie Lee and his beautiful family and the OG man cave boys that being hardball, hard big Mike and coach phone Little bit tells. Okay, wait we out.

Speaker 6: 59:51

You see that shit, baby, I'm fitted, I'm in my car nかった. Yeah, yeah you.