Stories Inside the Man Cave
Stories Inside the Man Cave
Ep 395: Behind the Mic with Toby Rowland: the voice of the Sooners, SEC Excitement, Children's Books, & kidney removal surgery
What if you could capture the thrill of the Red River rivalry in a single, unforgettable call? Join us as we sit down with Toby Rowland, the dynamic voice of the Oklahoma Sooners, who takes us behind the scenes of his electrifying play-by-play during the final moments of the game. Toby opens up about his personal journey, navigating recent health challenges and finding refuge in storytelling through his inspirational children's books. Listen as we explore the vibrant OU spirit captured in his latest book and celebrate the Sooners' imminent move to the SEC, a transition that has the entire Sooner Nation buzzing with excitement.
In our conversation, we dive deep into the thrilling anticipation surrounding Oklahoma's move from the Big 12 to the SEC. We reflect on the unforgettable experiences and tough challenges faced in the Big 12, while eagerly looking forward to the new rivalries and traditions that await in the SEC. From the intimidating atmosphere of LSU's Death Valley to the historic charm of Rupp Arena, Toby shares firsthand stories and cherished moments. We also delve into the camaraderie and shared respect within the broadcasting community, highlighted by Toby's experiences working with legends like Bob Stoops and fellow sportscasters including Craig Way.
Toby's journey is one of resilience and creativity, marked by a summer of recovery from kidney surgery and an unexpected foray into authorship. Discover the heartfelt stories behind his children's books, "Unhitch the Wagon" and "Put the Ponies in the Barn," which bring the spirit of college sports to life for young readers. Hear about the joy and impact of connecting with fans during book signings and readings. We wrap up with a reflection on the unique dynamics of college rivalries and the bittersweet reality of never experiencing certain iconic football venues firsthand, all underscored by a profound respect for the sports community.
Please like and follow each of Stories Inside the Man Cave Podcast social media links on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, and Tik Tok.
You know, there's some days, some people, where you just, you know, let go of the rivalry, that being the Red River rivalry. Texas, oklahoma. There are people on both sides and I know both sides very well. Well, there's a guy who is a friend of mine. He's actually the voice of the Oklahoma Sooners. The voice of the Oklahoma Sooners, great story, great human being. But he's also dealt with the adversity recently of life, just with health, unexpected. And he also has a pretty incredible book that, regardless of age I know, it has a specific target, demographic, so to speak. It's OU, has an O an ou theme to it and you may want to. Christmas is near, it's a great christmas idea. Toby roland, the voice of the sooners, let's talk Now comes far right in the trip set 27 seconds.
Speaker 2:Anderson in motion 23 seconds. Gabriel has the football, looks to throw. He's under pressure, he lobs in, so touchdown.
Speaker 3:Nick Anderson Touchdown, touchdown. Oh, mama, dylan Gabriel, a legacy-making drive, a three-yard touchdown pass to Nick Anderson and with 15 seconds to go, the Sooners are on top in the Cotton Bowl Ha ha. Seconds to go the Sooners are on top in the Cotton Bowl, ha-ha.
Speaker 1:Toby, that is this past year. That was not a great memory for people in this neck of the woods.
Speaker 2:You just lost every listener. You got man.
Speaker 1:I did, you just turned it off.
Speaker 2:That was I'm so sorry everybody.
Speaker 1:Man, apologies from the. Toby Rowland, the voice of the Oklahoma Sooners, made that call. That was a great game, great ending, another chapter of the historic Texas OU, or OU Texas as they say north of the Red River. Man, welcome, you're a veteran now in the man cave.
Speaker 2:Great to see you, my friend, always great to see my buddy sean. We go way back and, uh, we've been through a lot together and uh I'm always there anytime you call. Uh, I don't care what color you're representing or or anything.
Speaker 1:I I'm there for you, buddy hey, likewise man for you, your family member, I'm here for you and, uh, the. The one thing that I can't stand about myself right now is that I have not been up there to OKC Norman Moore, edmond, in about three years and it's long overdue. Miss that place. It left quite an impression. You're one of the people who left quite an impression on me, left quite an impression on me. The Toby Rowland we're going to.
Speaker 1:I know these let's Talk About it episodes are short, but we're going to try to get in three topics that are tied to him and before we do that, got to give some love to Honest, plumbing and Air. They changed their name over the past 12 months, but it is the same great service where a handshake still means something, and that is something that you find quite often in service, where a handshake still means something, and that is something that you find quite often in Oklahoma. A handshake does mean something in the great state of Oklahoma. Toby, before we get into things tied to you, I think it would be fitting if we addressed this. All right, this happened in July Official Texas, oklahoma joining the best football league in the country, because you know, espn, the SEC network, did a great job with introducing both and having an all day party, but as we're getting closer now, we're less. We're a little over a week away from official football as members of the SEC. What's the pulse of the Sooner Nation right now, as that is approaching?
Speaker 2:I'm sure it's the same as it is in Austin. I mean, we're all just coming out of our skin. It's been. It's been like the longest wait for Christmas ever. You know, it would have been one thing and it would have been very exciting if we found out on a Tuesday that we're going to the SEC and that Saturday you're playing football.
Speaker 2:But it was a going to the SEC and that Saturday you're playing football, but it was a, you know, a three-year wait. Yeah and uh, both the Sooners and the Longhorns have sufficiently been called every name in the book by their Big 12 brethren and by the commissioner sometimes. And uh, I, you know, I was ready to. I have a lot of fond memories of the Big 12 and the people in the Big 12.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And it's all I've ever known. But by the time these last three years came to an end I was ready to move on. I had taken all of that I could take. So I think there's that element to it. And then there's just the excitement of being in this league. I mean, it's undoubtedly the premier league in college sports. It is a not just a national brand, an international brand, correct, and that's where brands like oklahoma and texas belong. And so to join forces with uh programs and traditions like the Sooners and Longhorns, with traditions and programs that exist in the SEC, it's just a perfect fit. I can't wait In my job to get to travel to new places, to get to see new traditions, new venues, new fan bases. That's really exciting, and it'll be very exciting as well to welcome them to Norman and, I'm sure, to Austin.
Speaker 2:It gets I don't want to say boring, because our job isn't boring but, after you see Iowa State for so many years in a row, or Kansas State or whatever the case may be, and you look at this year's schedule for our teams, you're like wow, this is unbelievable. It's so exciting to have Tennessee and Alabama come into town and road games at LSU and Ole Miss and Auburn. It's a completely different world. So we are giddy in Sooner Nation. We are giddy north of the Red River to begin this great adventure in the SEC.
Speaker 1:To say the least, giddy. That sums up my feelings. So Toby and I, we worked at competing stations in the Oklahoma City TV market. I was at the Fox, he was at CBS. He and Dean Blevins and that group did a wonderful job. Toby is the ideal talented storyteller, meaning he searches for the true story. I always appreciated his work. That's why we connected the pride of Southern Nazarene. He played basketball, by the way, I always loved throwing it in there. A guy can hoop. I still have memories of that awful media game we had at OU one time. Toby lit it up. Toby lit it up that day For about a decade is it 11 years? You are now the voice of the Sooners, or have been.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're about to embark on year 14.
Speaker 1:Oh 14 already.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're about to start year 14 in this chair. Two years before that, I was on the sidelines, so entering my 16th year with OU as a part of the broadcast team, but 14th year in the role of play-by-play. And it's just. Yeah, it's a dream come true.
Speaker 1:It is, and you do a great job. Thank you. You have been. I've been very lucky, blessed, if you will, to be around guys like you, craig Way, yeah, okay, I love Craig. Craig's awesome. He's always had a good story locked and loaded. But these are some photos Craig just needs more jobs.
Speaker 2:That's the only problem. Craig doesn't have enough jobs. That man calls more games than anybody in America.
Speaker 1:It's amazing. I would love to see his first of all, his Southwest Airlines points and his Bonvoy card. What do you think? A million points possibly?
Speaker 2:Easy, easy. He's probably got shares in the companies by now.
Speaker 1:Oh, without a doubt he goes to shareholder meetings.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:These are some sights of Toby calling games at Gaylord Memorial. Is there one particular SEC venue that you are looking forward to calling games from more than maybe others?
Speaker 2:That picture at the top, by the way, is my new, my newest coworker, Bob Stoops, in the booth with us. Oh, there he is. He's wearing the Drake Stoops jersey last year. He's been joining us for a quarter on our radio broadcast.
Speaker 3:I love that.
Speaker 2:He did it last year, he's going to do it again this year and Bob is tremendous because he doesn't really know and really doesn't care about the appropriate etiquette of calling a game. And so I'll be in the middle of calling a play and he'll see somebody open and he'll just start yelling he's open, he's open, bro, we got him. You're not supposed to do that, but it's bob stoops and it's just awesome when he's talking over the top. But uh, no, we, we love it.
Speaker 2:Venues I've been to a few, um, so I will like cross out some of them that I've already been to, such as Tennessee. Tennessee is amazing and I'm very much looking forward to going back. I think if I had to pick one in each sport in football, it's probably one we're going to this year. Lsu yes, I have been to Baton Rouge for baseball and basketball, but never for a football game, and hopefully we get a night game in Death Valley and you get to experience, you know what, that incredible atmosphere, maybe the greatest atmosphere in all of college football a night game in Baton Rouge is all about so there's a lot.
Speaker 2:We're going to Auburn this year. I can't wait to see War Eagle. We're going to Oxford this year. I can't wait to see what the Grove's all about. There's a lot, but I think I'd rank LSU number one on what I'm most looking forward to.
Speaker 2:Basketball, you got to say. I think you got to say Rupp Arena. Right, with the history of that building, we have become accustomed in the Big 12 to visiting Fogg Allen Fieldhouse and I think Rupp Arena is a different facility than that. It's a lot more modern but still draped in history and I can't wait to experience that venue and I love college baseball Anybody who knows me?
Speaker 2:knows I love college baseball and I cannot wait for baseball in the SEC. And I think you know top of the list there are the two Mississippi schools. I mean the stadiums that Mississippi State and Ole Miss have built in baseball, especially Mississippi State, duty Noble. I mean they'll get 10,000 plus in that place sometimes is unbelievable. So I mean there's a lot. It's a long list of places I can't wait to go in this league but I'd probably pick those for my. You know, top in each sport.
Speaker 1:Those are solid. You know I, I I've mind changed and I'm with you. I'm a college baseball nut and you know I I've heard of at Mississippi state the bulldog weekend that they have, where I think they'll, they'll push over 14 grand into that baseball stadium and it. But you know what I think it helps. I mean there are plans to improve dish fog in some ways and you guys are going through that at at LL Mitchell with Skip Johnson and I think he's done a good job, along with the campaign to go into the SEC that you know I like, I like L Del, but it's just not very big. But do you see that because of this infusion of energy with SEC, more interest in baseball?
Speaker 2:I think the combination of the run to the national championship series two years ago that's three years ago now which really you know, lit a fuse under this fan base. So the combination of that and how good they've been under Skip Johnson the last few years and going to the SEC has certainly done that there are. There is a building project underway. They're in the fundraising phase but they're about ready to dig ground to improve Eldale Mitchell Park. It's a nice park but it's not, I would say, of the 16 SEC schools. It might rank 15th, you know. I think it's probably better than Missouri and that's probably it.
Speaker 2:And so I think people realize that and it needs to be modernized, not just because you want to keep up with the joneses but because if you're going to attract the kind of baseball players that you need to go beat the lsus and texas and arkansas of the world you know you got to recruit to that even the kid goes to arkansas and sees uh, you know bomb and then comes to norm and sees Eldell. You're going to have a hard time getting that kid. I think there's a realization there as well. I think they're trying to do to Eldell I know they are what they did to Owen Field over the last 25 years or so, which is it's not going to be the biggest stadium, but it's going to be nice. Owen Field is very, very nice. It seats 85,000.
Speaker 2:There's going to be 87,000 if you you know standing room. It's not going to, you know, have the 100,000-plus that some of the stadiums have in this league, but it is a really, really nice venue and I think that's what they want to do to Eldell is we're not going to be the biggest, but we hope we can be right there with the nicest in this league, and so it's good to see. As somebody that loves baseball and for a long time Oklahoma's been lagging behind with that particular venue it's good to see some love going its way.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, and softball has really stayed playing to the it's OU and everybody else and they have. I cannot wait to see that new facility that you guys have for softball.
Speaker 2:It's something else, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's something else it's unreal. They deserve it, you know. You know Patty should have her name on everything. Before it's all said and done. I'm just going to be honest with you, toby. I always follow you and you know we have friends, we follow on both sides and I think when life moves so fast, we forget that we need to check in sometimes. But when I saw your post regarding this, I was like I have to reach out to him and that's kind of a motivation for this podcast episode, because it's scary, because health issues happen. You can't predict them, but you know it's mainly God. Is he all right? Obviously you are. You're recovering. You had a kidney removed and that's something you put you. You put too much too often in a sentence, but if you don't mind, I mean what happened, what have you learned from it and what would you tell people about even remotely trying to be proactive?
Speaker 2:Well, I would say don't mow the lawn, because I've had, we've had a terrible summer. We were.
Speaker 2:You know, when baseball season ends, it's vacation time for us until football season starts and baseball season had just ended and it was the day before we were going on family vacation and I was mowing the lawn just so that it didn't look terrible. When we got back home and I felt like I got shot in the stomach. I I crumpled to the ground, uh, with some abdominal pain that I haven't felt before, and, uh, my wife ended up taking me to the urgent care. Urgent care thought it was my gallbladder and which made sense. I didn't think it was my appendix. It didn't seem to be you, it seemed to be higher than that. So they said I needed to go to the emergency room, went to the ER and they said it's not your gallbladder, it's your kidney.
Speaker 2:I had a mass in my kidney that a blood vessel had ruptured and it was bleeding into this mass in my kidney and that's what was causing the pain. I had no idea, never had any problems with my kidney. My whole life I'd never had any pain at all. Just out of the blue, suddenly one day you've got a giant mass in your kidney. So they did an emergency surgery to stop the bleeding and then we had to give it about a month to let everything calm down in there so they could go back in and do some imaging to see what exactly are we dealing with. And uh, they decided at that point that it the whole kidney had to come out.
Speaker 2:And uh, so that's what happened. It's been um, not quite two weeks ago, right, I had my right kidney removed. I got six holes in my abdomen right now, but, uh, I'm, I think I'm, I'm back up and healthy. I just went to the doctor today and I'm cleared to do almost everything. I can't golf again for a while, but I'm driving again and working again and walking again, and so I'm feeling good. There was no cancer.
Speaker 2:They did a biopsy there was no cancer in the mass, it's just a freak deal. It was nothing, you know. I asked the doctor what? What led to this? What did I do that caused this that I can make sure I don't do anymore? And he said nothing. It's not like you should eat healthy and take care of your left kidney now, cause it's the last one you got. But you didn't do anything to cause this. This is just freak genetics and you got the short straw and so obviously we didn't get to take our family vacation. This summer. I've been in the hospital, uh, way more than I've been on a beach and uh, and now it's football season, so the whole family's mad at me. Uh, I'm mad. I mean, it was just the worst summer ever, but I'm on the other side of uh, of kidney surgery, and I'm a part of uh, the one kidney club now for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1:You know what resilient one kidney. It can filter a lot. And, and you know obviously this photo is of you and your much better half that's the day you were released right From the hospital.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were. We were leaving the hospital and the people at Norman Regional HealthPlex were just incredible to us and unfortunately, when you live in the public eye, fortunately and unfortunately. Fortunately, you got a lot of people praying for you and that's great. But you know, I felt like you kind of had to keep everybody updated to some extent and try to maintain your privacy as much as you can. Once we got on the other side of that, we decided to snap a picture and let everybody know I was alive.
Speaker 2:I've made it, I'm going home and, uh, you can probably see the relief on both of our faces right there.
Speaker 1:That, uh, that we made it through. Oh, she's dropping the deuces, she's ready to get out of the house.
Speaker 2:She's's got her Starbucks. Never too far from a Starbucks either.
Speaker 1:Possibly a double shot of espresso. You got to have that when you're recovering from the loss of a kidney. But, man, many prayers answered. Brother, I'm really glad to see you here talking about it. Hey, color looks good. It looks like you've been to the beach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's 150 degrees here. What's the weather there, man, it's not much, not much better. I can't go. I can't go get my mail without getting a sunburn right now.
Speaker 1:So well, just think, if I was your neighbor, if I was not wearing any type of lid, you would receive pre-lastic surgery from this dome, if, in this kind of sunlight, just being honest with you, um, you know, this doesn't surprise me that you're now an author because, uh, if you go back and google search toby roland, feature stories news nine great stories, great writer, um, this was so obviously being the voice of the Sooners. This was fitting, because these are some phrases that Toby himself has coined and uses on the play-by-play broadcast put the ponies in the barn. There are some others. Unhitch the wagon. I mean the genesis of all this, and correct me if I'm wrong. This is a children's book, correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely yeah, but two different children's book correct? Yeah, absolutely yeah, but two different children's books there.
Speaker 2:Unhitch the Wagon came out four years ago and it's got a lot of Big 12 theme to it. The ponies are trying to become the famous ponies that pull the Sooner Schooner and so they train by kind of whipping up on their fellow Big 12 mascots. The new book just came out this July Put the Ponies in the Barn, and it's about the ponies going around and kind of wrangling up all the new SEC mascots, putting them in the wagon you can see they're in the back of the wagon and bringing them back to Normanan to show them what sooner magic is all about. So, um, it's a lot of fun. I do.
Speaker 2:I do love to write. I never dreamed that I would write a kid's book, but I've always loved to write, uh, creatively. Especially we do these scene setters in norman for football games and stuff, which gives me a little bit of an outlet. But my good friend tony caridi I don't know if you know Tony or not, he's the voice of the West Virginia Mountaineers. We were at a dinner in Morgantown several years ago and he was telling me about a children's book that he had just written. Wow, and it was fascinating to me and I asked him all about the process and kind of had that in the back of my brain and and got hit by some inspiration on one of those late night flights back with a basketball team. You know you come home after the game and it's two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:I can't sleep on an airplane, so I started trying to write a little bit of a poem and before I knew it I had about 12 or 14 stanzas and was able to get oh you, on board. I mean that was the big part. Athletic Director Joe Castiglione said hey, this is a great idea. Licensing had to allow me to use the marks and all that kind of stuff and we found a publisher who liked it and we were off and running. It's blown me away.
Speaker 2:I thought we may sell a few books because I don't know if there's a lot of OU children's books out there, but the reaction has been incredible. We've sold a lot of books, which is fun. But, like tomorrow, I'm going to Minko Elementary School and reading to a couple hundred kids, and that happens all the time, whether it's libraries or elementary schools or church groups or book signings or elementary schools or church groups or book signings. The interaction that I get to have with young, sometimes Sooner fans, sometimes not just kids or in many cases Sooner fans who come to book signings or these readings that I would otherwise never have met. People write to me or send me pictures of them reading the books to their kids the night before a game. It's their tradition.
Speaker 2:The night before an OU game, we got to read your books, and so I mean, I didn't know about that, I didn't think that stuff would happen, and so that's been. It's been such a cool thing, and so I'm very excited about the new book. Thank you for putting it up. Put the ponies in the barn. We're all excited about the SEC, and so this is an opportunity for the littles to get excited with the rest of us.
Speaker 1:Absolutely and honestly. With Christmas coming up, I'm assuming that Amazon would be the most efficient, easiest way, Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Amazon, Barnes and Noble lots of retailers around the state of Oklahoma. But if you live outside the state of Oklahoma, Amazon and Barnes Noble are your best bets.
Speaker 1:You know, get it done, put them in your bin.
Speaker 2:Hey the Longhorn makes an appearance in both books, by the way.
Speaker 1:So what's the fate of the Longhorn in these books?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say there's any fate at all other than we got him in the wagon, like we brought the Longhorn back to Norman with the gator and the elephant and all the tigers and the Razorback and everything. There's a lot of animals to wrangle in the SEC and we were able to coerce the Longhorn to jump in and come back with us. So he's perfect. Nobody's hurting the Longhorn, you're kidding me. So we brought him back to. We were able to get him in the book both books actually.
Speaker 1:That's impressive. And there's no branding or anything on the Longhorn, so that you know, unlike what A&M did in the 20s.
Speaker 2:We were very nice to Bevo. I didn't want to get sued by the University of Texas.
Speaker 1:So I was very nice to Bevo. Bevo's a good passenger, from what I hear.
Speaker 2:Well, we might need him to pull once in a while. There's a lot of weight in that wagon, so we might just throw him up front.
Speaker 1:The Sooner Schooner wagon. It just puts Noah's Ark to shame with all the different animals, amphibious animals, with the gator in Florida. That's impressive, toby man. I hope you continue the series. I really do. Well, thank you Is there one on the horizon.
Speaker 2:You know, I hope so. I don't have anything in the works right now. This one just came out. I think that if, if it has success and the publisher continues to want some, I think it'd be really cool to have, uh, you know, eight, ten book series and kids grow up and talk about how they had all the uh, boomer and sooner books when they were kids and people try to collect the whole series and everything. That'd be great, but uh got to have enough ideas to fill those books and you got to have a publisher yeah, publisher that wants to print them.
Speaker 2:So we'll see if we can keep this wagon rolling.
Speaker 1:Keep the wagon, don't unhitch it. Keep it rolling.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, with all the negativity, we like to end these things with a little positivity. Good, hey, ben, tell me something. We like to end these things with a little positivity.
Speaker 2:Good, hey Ben, tell me something good.
Speaker 1:You know, I think Toby is very highly produced.
Speaker 2:I'm very impressed your TV background is coming through. This is not your average podcast. I go on a lot of podcasts. This is like a TV show. This is big time.
Speaker 1:Our backgrounds serve us well in some aspects. That's right. I'm glad that I will fund story. Well, it's not fun. The story, and I won't name names that helped me ease out of that industry and I'm so grateful for everyone that gave me an opportunity. It was when I had this idea and that when it came down to monetize it, I wasn't going to see any penny of it. Yeah, there we go. I wasn't going to see any penny of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there we go it sounds like a good life choice.
Speaker 1:But you know, just like your book, our lives are full of chapters. There you go. Yeah, Toby, what would you like? Is there anything inspiring or positive that you would love to pass along to the people watching or listening?
Speaker 2:I. I don't know exactly where this is supposed to go, but I'll just tell you. What has a smile on my face every day when I wake up right now is that I just became a grandfather wow, a little over a month ago, to little baby Aurora May, and we've got a grandson on the way in a little over a month. So one of my sons just had a little girl and the other son is about to have a little boy. I'm only 50 years old. I don't think I'm old enough to be a granddad, but I am, and I got to tell you the little girl is the most perfect little thing I've ever seen, and so entering the world of grandparenting right now has even losing a kidney seems like not that big of a deal right now when I get to see her little face. So I don't know, is that where this is supposed to go?
Speaker 1:No, it's it, that was perfect. I just I think this all started. I jumped on Twitter one day and I just noticed is there anything positive that people say? Yeah, no that is a space of angry people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wish, I wish so badly I could get off twitter. I wish I would give it up in a heartbeat if I could but you're right, there's not a lot of good out there so kudos to you for bringing a little sunshine to the world.
Speaker 1:Hey, thank you, brother. That, that one thing I'm going to say, is, uh, something good. In addition, I mean, first of all, congr, congrats, you don't look a day over 40, 39.
Speaker 2:Thank you Could be a grandfather. I got a little gray going now.
Speaker 1:I've got the gray beard. Today is my work from home day, or, if anybody's watching this is after hours. I wasn't doing this during the work day.
Speaker 3:Thank you for explaining that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you never know who's watching Toby. It has taken me about four or five years to learn how to be a fan and I decided you know what? I'm going to become a season ticket holder. So this will be the first season I'll ever be a season ticket holder. It's at Texas my seats are terrible, by the way, but it's the SEC. I'm excited and I know with tailgating you create all these new friends, families of friends, so to speak, and so if you're out tailgating in Norman Austin man, get close to those people, because some of those people you're going to be tied to and be friends with the rest of your life, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm fired up about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good, that's awesome. You know, I'm a little I don't know if sad's the right word, maybe it is but I could be in this job which is, I think, the greatest job in the world, for 50 more years and I will probably never see a game at DKR because because OU and Texas play in the Cotton Bowl, which I don't want. Don't get me wrong, I don't want it to move.
Speaker 1:I don't either.
Speaker 2:I just like experiencing college atmosphere, and same for Craig. Like Craig will never probably experience a game at Owen Field because of the way our rivalry is. So I was always like that's a weird thing. Like I see, I've been to Texas for baseball and basketball and softball and everything else, but never for a football game show. I hope you have fun. I apologize for this Honestly. Episode 395 will go down in history as the lowest rated podcast ever. As the lowest rated podcast ever, the one where you had the voice of the Sooners on in the middle of Texas territory. This is a terrible idea you've had, but at least you and I got to talk. If nothing else, we did.
Speaker 1:It was just an excuse and for all those people watching, couldn't y'all have had a FaceTime call or a phone conversation instead of making an episode? But it was worth it. May you tell your family hello and tell one of the best ADs ever to do it, joe C. I said hello. I will. Good to talk to you, sean, good to talk to you, brother. So whenever you have an opportunity to talk to anybody on the other side of the Red River, sooner, man, it is always good to talk about it. That's all I got to say Toby. Much love, brother. See you, boo.