Stories Inside the Man Cave
Stories Inside the Man Cave
Ep 478: The Pass Rush with Stevie Lee, Mike Adams, & Chuck Miketinac
The Longhorns secured a 38-7 home opener victory over San Jose State, but Coach Sarkisian expressed frustration with 12 penalties that marred an otherwise strong performance.
• The atmosphere at DKR was electric, featuring a B-1 bomber flyover and enthusiastic crowd despite brief rain
• Arch Manning showed improvement but was seen wincing after throws, which Sark colorfully dismissed when questioned
• Parker Livingston is emerging as WR1 with touchdown production while Ryan Wingo adjusts to the college game
• Former Texas receiver Mike Adams joined as "Playmaker 83" to provide analysis on receivers and QB development
• UTEP comes to Austin with former five-star QB Malachi Nelson who transferred from USC via Boise State
• San Antonio's proposed "Marvel project" for a new downtown Spurs arena faces critical tax votes in November
• The Power 12 rankings saw movement with Oregon climbing after dominating Oklahoma State
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Outro Music Stevie Lee. It's here. We saw what the big season started at Ohio State. But it's a little different for any fan base when you get to see your first home game. Quick summary, man, just not really the game, but getting back and seeing that atmosphere at DKR, I mean you and I passed each other. We took the complimentary picture, had a few beverages. We were very thirsty on Saturday. Summarize your day.
Speaker 3:Great day, man. You and I started out at the tailgate. We took a very nice picture. I'm upset that I don't see it yet.
Speaker 2:It's up.
Speaker 3:It's up Okay, Got a good picture going. Got in the stadium. A man Cave alum, Phillip Geiger, was with me and he had his son with him, so we sat together in our regular seats. Man, it was a beautiful day. It rained a little bit. My little niece came over. She's a junior at Texas. I took her up to the tea room and then came back out to the stadium. Had a really good time. It was a lot of fun. The atmosphere was fantastic. I don't even know what kind of plane that was for the flyover.
Speaker 2:B-1.
Speaker 3:It was a what B-1 bomber? It was a B-1 bomber. Those bombers, they come out of Shreveport sometimes.
Speaker 1:They do.
Speaker 2:That's right yeah.
Speaker 3:So it flew over? Yeah, so it flew over. It was loud as hell. Gave you goosebumps. The atmosphere was great. The the game day experience has been really top notch last few years at Texas, especially for a night game. Yeah, it's, it's, it's really really fun, really fun to be there.
Speaker 2:It was. Thank God. I was glad I didn't wear a white shirt, or I would have been. I probably would have finished third in a wet t-shirt contest because it did rain for a little bit. But hey, we even got to do an indirect tribute to the Ice Cube because we did see the lights of the Goodyear blimp. I hadn't seen the Goodyear blimp in over 20 years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, as I was walking up to the stadium, I saw the blimp up there and that's the first thing that I thought of was Ice Cube, but I always substitute Ice Cube name for my name. Stevie Lee's a pimp.
Speaker 2:That's right, 100%. You are, hey, coming up on this episode. We're going to break down a little bit of the game. That was san jose state, the home opener, 38 to 7, and I think this soundbite right here from sark really summarized the the part.
Speaker 4:That kind of red alerts everybody, 12 penalties here we had holdings on the interior line, we had a roughing the passer, we jumped off sides on defense, and so it was kind of across the board. Um, which to me is you know, I my foot's gotta get in their butt here on monday morning like that's unacceptable unacceptable.
Speaker 2:This is monday. He. He is uh real quick. When you have a game like that. What was it like for you as a player when you guys committed all types of uh miscues and had yellow flags thrown all over the stat sheet?
Speaker 3:uh, we didn't have games like that, wow you were perfect. I forgot no, so, um, I don't remember. I'm sure we did have games like that I'm joking, but I don't remember what we did. I do know that we preached discipline and Mad Dog was all disciplinarian. So I think that really being focused and getting everything out of your head and playing the game that's in front of you and being disciplined on everything that you do on the field, I think you've got to get back to the kind of fundamentals with that part.
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to talk about that and we're going to introduce a new segment with a former Longhorn receiver, great and good friend of mine, who I really, really have had the utmost respect, still in the sports media, still doing great things in San Antonio, and he covers the Cow respect, still in the sports media, still doing great things in San Antonio, and he has these covers the Cowboys and we're going to get an idea of what he may think about the Cowboys moving forward and the potential of what the downtown area of San Antonio might become. I think the voters in San Antonio want it, I think. I think, stevie, are you ready? Let's ride? Let's ride, baby, let's ride.
Speaker 1:Let's ride. I thought it was sloppy on my part. Can't turn the ball over. In the red area I kind of made some throws where the Demons had a chance to pick, which they didn't, so you've got to play better. I think all around it was a little sloppy.
Speaker 6:One quick follow-up. One quick follow-up let's talk about your connection with Parker no-transcript player.
Speaker 1:He's been a touchdown machine lately. I feel like we have a good connection, it's just only going to grow.
Speaker 2:There was a moment where they showed you grimacing. You let go of the ball and followed the middle.
Speaker 1:Do you deal with something pain-wise or anything like that? No, no, I've got to make make that throw.
Speaker 2:Okay, stevie, you heard that Sark is I mean, excuse me, arch clearly humble, taking responsibility, being a leader. I think I heard in that last question are you hurt at all? Reason why he couldn't make certain throws. Did you hear what Sark had to say today? No, I didn't. Okay, he was asked if people were observing the winces on Archer's face, if he's been hurt, and this was Sark's response to that. This is classic. This is going to be one of those soundbites we'll probably play several times.
Speaker 1:Is there an explanation to why he looked like that?
Speaker 4:I don't know. I've never filmed any of you guys when you're using the bathroom, so I don't know what faces you make when you're doing that.
Speaker 2:So what movie? There's a certain movie, I'll say friday, when craig's dad's in the restroom making all those faces while he's on the toilet and he said don't go in there for 35, 45 minutes yep, yep, house, oh, house party um friday one.
Speaker 3:hey, right though, but we do have eyes and he is wincing after his throws. But I mean, I understand Coach is protecting his quarterback and the narrative out there, but we saw it, so we got to ask, you know.
Speaker 2:Hey, before we move forward and bring in our new segment with a man kvip alumni, be sure to follow us on all social media, very active now. And we have to give a shout out to our title sponsor and they do a lot for us. They're based out of shreveport, your hometown, hardgrove roofing. Stevie, you are the voice and the unofficial face of hargrove roofing, correct?
Speaker 3:unofficial face. Yeah, I guess. So the actual face was on the field last night or uh on saturday. So that's right, uh, shipley, our uh new, uh nil partner. So that's, he's the face.
Speaker 2:But hardgrove roofing know who's on your roof people need to know those shingles are bricky man and hardgrove does it best. Hey, let's bring in our new segment here. We're going to call them playmaker 83, playmaker. All right, our boxes are very small. There's Mike Adams. He's Playmaker 83, played for John McEvick A lot of great receivers. Mike Adams, you're in administration, a principal in Pflugerville ISD, but you're still very knowledgeable of the game. Are those winces on Arch's face? And I don't know if anyone wants to see anyone's face looks on their faces of what they may look like in the restaurant?
Speaker 7:Friday Need to come back 30, 45 minutes, all-time great movie, all-time great movie. But to answer your question, no, those winches aren't good. When I saw the replays of it or saw the tweets that were out there and I'm like, man, that's not normal, that's not known for a quarterback, and it just made me think about, you know, a quarterback that was close to me a few years ago. He was kind of dealing with a little arm injury or whatever. Turned out he had a minor fracture, oh, near his grope plate. I'm talking about my own son when his junior year, before he started, mike your take on.
Speaker 2:What do you think is holding back Wingo?
Speaker 7:man. You know, I think the uh, and I think saturday actually might have been the best thing for um parker, livingston kind of getting into the action, becoming that. You know I don't want to call him wide receiver one right now, but he certainly was this past game and and actually I guess you could say, even though I'll say game he scored the only touchdown from the group. So right now he is wide receiver one. But I think all those pressures preseason were put on Wingo, you know, and in a good way. I mean, he was expected to kind of, you know, take over from the guys that left last year. And you know, sometimes when you, when you place that kind of pressure on yourself and the pressure from the outside and I don't think it's anything that he's doing that that's wrong, even though he had that one drop, but that's no big deal.
Speaker 7:I just think getting someone else into the action I mean that's a good thing for him, because now teams are going to start focusing on Livingston and the tight end and I think we're going to see, you know, still going to see a breakout year for Ryan Wingo. He's just got to stay patient and not get outside the system, not trying to do things that he normally would do, got a lot of football left. Everyone's finding their groove right now Offense defense, the receivers I know you guys talked about penalties earlier and things like that Second ball game of the year everybody's trying to find their niche, trying to get sharp, and this is what these type of games are for. When you play San Jose State.
Speaker 3:So yeah, man, Mike, thanks for coming on. Man, I wanted to ask you a little bit about Livingston. How do you feel that he's progressing and what do you feel like he's going to do for the rest of the season, and also Arch's progression how he's going to feel the rest of the season. I thought that it was going to be Arch and Wingo locked in, but now we're seeing Livingston. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 7:Well, I just think, as far as Livingston goes, I think it's good Like I was just alluding to earlier, it's good that another guy is stepping up. I mean, obviously, you know everyone had their target on who was going to be wide receiver one. But even with Wingo, I mean he played a little bit last year but I don't know if he put up the numbers or even played a lot to where I would come into the seat and say you know he's going to be wide receiver one. I guess the only thing you could really base that on is that he played more than the other guys did. You know, Livingston redshirted, but that's a guy that I remember. You know what I was coaching and seeing some of his Twitter highlights things like that. I mean that guy went like 21.5 into 200 meters.
Speaker 7:So I'm not shocked that he's doing what he's doing. He's 6'4", 6'5". He's doing. He's six, four, six, five played great competition up there in the dfw area. I mean, obviously they saw something in him to to offer him and saw that he was big time talent and he's proven to do so. It wouldn't shock me one bit if he continued on the track that he's continuing. Matter of fact, it would be a disappointment if he regressed at this point. Right, I mean so. So I I fully expect that and expect him to continue to make big plays. He is a big play, target, fast, long-rangey, and I think now is the time for, you know, for Wingo to actually do what Livingston is doing now, and I think he's going to get the opportunity to do so. As far as Arch is going, he had a great game this past game. I mean I guess I shouldn't say great, I mean he was better than he was against Ohio State.
Speaker 7:I mean but he looked good, though I thought he looked good, I mean to me I love his escapability. I mean Arch, I mean I think that's probably his biggest asset right now and you know being able to get away from pressure, because we know when he sees Georgia, you know being able to get away from pressure because we know when he sees Georgia. You know when he sees some, you know Florida, he's going to see pressure and that's something that's kind of been, you know, alluded to the quarterback, you know position in the last couple of years. I mean McQueen wasn't really able to escape, you know, pressure defense. Arks is going to be able to do that. Now I still think he's getting used to playing the position and playing it at such a high caliber, playing the competition that he's playing.
Speaker 7:I mean, I think and nothing against high schools he probably didn't see the looks that he saw in high school. He probably didn't see that in Louisiana and being at that high school, like some of our guys here in Texas, I mean, and that's why Texas is known as one of the top states for quarterback talent, receiver talent man, with the seven-on-sevens that are going on, and all the different looks and different defenses that our kids see. Ours may be a little bit behind some of our other quarterbacks that are born right here and bred in this state that are doing very well. I mean, I look at a guy like John Mateer. I mean that guy's right from the DFW Metroplex area, you know, went out of state.
Speaker 7:I mean, look at it, I mean that guy's able to handle pretty much whatever that you throw at him and he's been in college four years. I mean a year longer than Arch has actually. But I think the competition that he's gone against has really prepared him for the moment. Arch is going to get better, so people just need to take that with a grain of salt. I mean, he's going to get better. He's going to continue to grow and flourish and develop, but there's going to be some growing pains.
Speaker 3:I wanted to also ask about Trey Wisner running back, Maybe doubtful for this week, right, Sean. Yeah, I've heard, possibly Maybe doubtful but I want to hear what you think about that and how that will impact us. But I also have a thought about that as well.
Speaker 7:So I got to the game. Well, I got there right after kickoff so I saw everything, heard these guys coming out to some of those things like that. And, man, I look, I'm like why am I seeing all these other running backs in the game? I didn't realize that he had gotten injured.
Speaker 7:I didn't either and hearing kind of what you guys are saying, he may be out for a week or two. I think, you know, based on the opponents we have coming up, might not be a bad thing. Let's go ahead and get him, you know, healed up 100% before we go into Florida. But man, he's someone we definitely need. I mean because I think Baxter, while he appears to be healthy, 100% healthy, or at least I hope he is we don't want to continue to wear him down. You know, if he's not quite healthy yet, we want to keep getting him in the game shape. We want to make sure Weiser is in game shape.
Speaker 7:I mean that guy, you know, led the team in rushing or was one of the top rushers last year when Baxter went down. You know. Obviously he filled that void last year. I know we got some good young talent. I'd like to see Gibson get some more carries. I do too. We got to make sure Trey is healthy going into that Florida-Oklahoma stretch. That's going to be huge and hopefully it is only a week or two.
Speaker 3:So I got a little bit of a different take on that man. So just a little bit, I agree with everything you're saying. But I think that Baxter, he was actually our guy last year before he got hurt Right, and so working back after an injury like that, getting back in a game shape, you need game experience. So I want to see him run more. I want to see him run the ball more in the game, more picking up blitzes, more to be him back in that shape and be our guy again. And it's never a bad thing if you've got two and three running backs in our stable. That can do amazing things.
Speaker 7:Nah, that's exactly right. But to that point and I was kind of wondering about that too you raised an interesting point, because Baxter was the guy last year but he got hurt, went down. Wiseman came in, man filled in admirably beautifully actually, and I don't know if I would actually say, ok, well, cj's back now and you know, he was the guy before. I mean that's a thousand yards. Wiseman put up Big playability, I mean to. To me that would have been the perfect situation to kind of ease ours into man. Let's get both of those guys. Maximum amount of carries.
Speaker 2:Hey, I promise we'll get those technical difficulties resolved with the playmaker 83, mike Adams, in the future. It happens, stevie, when you rely on technology. Hey, fyi, you may remember this name when UTEP rolls into Austin this weekend, their QB1, malachi Nelson. He was a five-star quarterback out of high school, signed with USC, then transferred to Boise State. Then he recently transferred to UTEP and he is slinging the rock, as they say. I don't know if you remember him, but UTEP is a threat offensively.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do not remember him, but UTEP is a threat offensively. Yeah, I do not remember him. I vaguely remember him. I don't remember him from high school. I vaguely remember him going to USC. So this is actually news to me. I didn't know that he was at UTEP now. So this is going to be fun. A five-star you said he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah man. So that's a good talent coming to town and a good challenge for our defense again. So let's see it. Let's see what these DBs can do and hold these receivers down and then keep this kid contained.
Speaker 2:Just for people's reminder, the Power 12 and 4 on the outside they're not true rankings, they're ratings, if you will. It's margin of victory, margin of defeat. Where you went, road home, injuries, the sexiness of how you perform, how did you look? Everybody loves a good sex factor, but the new Power 12 and 4 on the outside looks like this A little bit of movement and a little bit of movement on the ones on the outside. So top six a little bit of movement. I thought what Oregon did to Mike Gundy and Oklahoma State Oklahoma State's not very good right now, but to put, I think, 69 points on them and abuse them. They look sexy. I did move up LSU and Texas. I think they go down a little bit to number six because it wasn't clean.
Speaker 3:I hate it, but I can't argue with it.
Speaker 2:I hear you, because this is just something that moves up and down how they look. Body of work, dude, I think Florida State they're up and look at 11 out of nowhere. Oklahoma.
Speaker 3:I see Oklahoma going higher. Man, they basically whipped Michigan this weekend. I was surprised on how good OU looked this weekend, so I'm a little bit more nervous about that Red River rivalry right now.
Speaker 2:Man, that quarterback Mateer I mean. For those that don't believe me, look, this is two key plays from the quarterback Mateer the transfer from Washington State and check out their defense.
Speaker 1:Mateer running all the way Gets free Mateer.
Speaker 2:Touchdown Oklahoma.
Speaker 7:That drive was all on the quarterback 3-4 in the early going Hanks in the slot Caught the ball and Kendall Daniels hammered him immediately.
Speaker 2:So OU's back for now. But I will say this they keep those guys healthy. It's going to be a competitive Red River rivalry. In Dallas Iowa State they beat their in-state rivals A&M's hanging in there but they've got a big one, stevie, at Notre Dame this weekend. So we went 3-1 in potential upsets. We got a whole lot of upset potential this week texas state, who got the big win at the alamo dome against utsa they're two and, oh they, they hosted arizona state last year who ended up winning the Big 12 and gave Texas all they could handle. Texas State at Arizona State are you believing it has an upset potential?
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm actually taking Texas State.
Speaker 2:Okay, and Vanderbilt is in our power 12-4 on the outside they're at the Cox. Vanderbilt it's an SEC game man. There's something about this with Diego Pavia quarterback. He's like a Johnny Manziel 2.0 to me. You think they have enough to go win in Cocktown I do I do I do?
Speaker 3:They're going to beat the Cocks. Yes, I do. I think I got Vandy.
Speaker 2:Okay, A&M Notre Dame. Notre Dame took it in College Station last year. I think Aggies surprised everybody.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's hard at Notre Dame though, man, but I'm going to get on board with you.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, and that doesn't happen often. Arkansas and Ole Miss. Man, I think the Hogs are playing for their coach big time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got. No, I got Lane Kiffin man. Okay, I got Lane Kiffin man. Okay, I got Lane Kiffin. I want our Kansas to do well.
Speaker 2:Our Kansas.
Speaker 3:So we can beat them when they come here or we go there this year.
Speaker 2:No, they come here.
Speaker 3:They come here, yeah, so I want them to do.
Speaker 2:Well, we can beat them when they come here, but I don't see it right now, ken, does Peiple have enough now at Tennessee to pull off the miraculous upset against Georgia and Knoxville?
Speaker 3:I think it's time. I think it's time for them to. I think they can rise to that occasion. I think Georgia goes down to Tennessee.
Speaker 2:All right. Clemson had a scare with Troy. Troy's a good programmer has been at that level mid-major type. They're my national champion pick. Do they go down in Atlanta? I think it's possible.
Speaker 3:Just because you picked them as national champions. I am going with Georgia Tech and rooting for Gideon, their new defensive coordinator from Texas, that's right. They hired him as a defensive coordinator. This offseason I'm going with Georgia Tech man. That's my guy.
Speaker 2:That's perfect. Quick thoughts, Stevie. I thought the Dallas Cowboys opener in Philly was a little bit better than anyone ever anticipated. It was close. The offense has a lot of juice. Defense clearly is not good yet. I don't know if they will, but the most impressive to me had to be the discipline by number four. You know what I'm talking about. When this happened, A snap, chris.
Speaker 3:that's first of all I got to be five-yard long.
Speaker 7:Defense number 98. Number 98, defense Hatches has disqualified him from the game Whoa.
Speaker 2:So Jaina Clark's at Dak. So, and I'm going to bring a little surprise for you, I've got somebody that knows old probably a lot more than we do, cause I have been out of the game of covering anybody for a while. And how about let's bring in a a certain uh, god wants you to meet from San Antonio. Here we go, chuck. I want to get it. There we go.
Speaker 5:And I love it.
Speaker 2:There, it is A good frame. Good 16 by nine. Here you don't age, my friend. Uh, I love. I love when people let me put your name up here. Uh, here we go. Oh, it goes over your. Your face is still there, Chuck McAtinnock, that's how we have. I love when people try to say your last name, Chuck. Correct the people and what's the over under when you go to social events or galas and they try to pronounce your last name properly. How many times do people improperly pronounce it?
Speaker 5:Almost always, but that's okay when you have problems at your own house with your kids being able to pronounce it right. You know you've got to give grace, clint. You've got to give them some grace.
Speaker 2:Well for everyone and for you. Stevie, chuck and I date back to when I started in Oklahoma City at the Fox Affiliate. It was 07, and Chuck and his crew do a fantastic job at the Fox Affiliate in San Antonio. I mean, this guy, I've never seen him stress, he's just cool, cool as a cucumber, does a great job with the stories, everything. But I've got to ask your opinion first. That was great discipline by Dak toward saliva. I don't know if any of us could have handled another man's saliva on our jersey as well as Dak did.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean that's the one thing about Dak Prescott I mean of his many, many accolades, and this dude is a razor mentally. I mean everything that you want in a pro ballplayer. That's this guy on and off the field and there's not anything that he hasn't thought of or thought through. Going into games, being a leader, being a ball player. You're right, there probably weren't, there wouldn't be many of us that would have handled that situation any better than he could have, which is turn the other cheek, obviously because there's a game to play. One player didn't turn the cheek, in fact, because of what he did cost him the ball game personally, and it could have cost his team ultimately the ball game too, if CD Lamb had made a couple more balls.
Speaker 2:That's true. Hey, Stevie, I know you've got some questions locked and loaded about the Cowboys themselves for Chuck.
Speaker 3:Well, Chuck, thanks for coming on, man. Hey, listen, we all had really high expectations of the Cowboys signing Micah. When they didn't and we saw the first game, they actually did not do as bad as we thought. What do you think that they're going to do moving forward? How do you feel that their season is going to pan out after seeing their first game? I know you don't have a crystal ball.
Speaker 5:No, I know you're right, I don't, but that's all right. I appreciate you all having have a crystal ball. No, I know You're right, I don't, but that's all right. I appreciate you all having me on today. Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 5:I think in some ways I was surprised that that game was there for the taking Enemy territory, Super Bowl champs, everybody saying you're not going to do anything without 11 on the field and now number one. You know, I was pleasantly surprised with what they were able to cobble together on the defensive side of the ball. You know, I thought early on in the season the Cowboys are going to maybe have to outscore some people, because that's where the bulk of their money, the bulk of their corporate resources are. In terms of who's getting paid. Most of those guys are on the offensive side of the ball and yet the defense kind of held its own.
Speaker 5:You know, I thought the Cowboys had a real advantage in this game in that coach Schottenheimer said at the very beginning of preseason look, we're going to go into this thing playing golf with a seven iron, and anybody that's ever played golf knowing if you got to play with a seven iron, you know you're going to handicap yourself in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 5:Well, what this benefited, I think, from the Cowboys' perspective, is the fact that they didn't show anybody really anything during the preseason as to what kind of an offense, what kind of a defense, what kind of things they were going to be able to scheme week to week.
Speaker 5:So I think in that sense they had a decided advantage. The other side of that was the rust factor, right, you know, maybe CD coming off the injury last year and then not having the benefit of preseason football games to get real bullets flying at you, so to speak, probably hurt how good he can be in some respects and probably overall the offense too. I mean that's a tough first game to go into right, Kind of like with Texas going into Ohio state. You know you got a bunch of new toys, but how do they function when the lights are at their brightest and when the competition is going to be at its stiffest? It's not fair in a lot of ways. But you know, sure, those kids on Texas and the guys on the Cowboys, they don't make the schedule. So I think in a lot of ways the Cowboys have a lot they can build off in that first game for sure.
Speaker 2:Chuck, I've got to ask you this. This is long overdue. This should have happened. You should have been a VIP alumni three years ago on this podcast. But there's been a lot of development. In San Antonio I've never had a problem with the AT&T Center I know it's a new sponsor name now I just know that area where the rodeo is never truly developed as so many thought and really had the plans. But now there's this Marvel project downtown. I've always envisioned and Chuck is a baseball guy, he could tell you it's amazing, your knowledge of baseball. But the Marvel project, a new arena for the Spurs. Pour in some funding to help with the Alamo Dome, which it's not modern but it's not a bad facility. It has the best parking and everything else. I think maybe a downtown baseball stadium at some point. And then you have one factor Mayor Gina Ortiz, you put all three of those together the Spurs. From a perspective from the social media, I'm almost like is this actually going to happen or not?
Speaker 5:That's a really good question, sean. I mean, and it's nuanced, right. It's not just as simple as you know what it's portrayed to be, which is, you know, if you look at the spectacle or some of the pre-specs that we've seen on what this entity might look like, who doesn't want this in their own backyard? Right, sign me up for it. I mean, I know I want something like that in my town. I'd want to go visit something like that. So you know, from that sense it's like, yeah, san Antonio could definitely use a state of the art complex, and the difference between this complex and the AT&T Center when it was built is that they're not only going to build it. You know the old adage build it and they will come. Well, build it and we'll build all the stuff around it, so we'll make sure that they come. So you're not only going to have the entity where the Spurs would play basketball, but you'd have the restaurants and the other things around it to go with it. So you're basically building the infrastructure around this project. And so you know, I can definitely see why Spurs fans, the ones that want this want to have it right. It makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5:So where it gets nuanced is how are we going to pay for all this right? How are the Spurs going to pay for it? Who's on the hook for all this? And I think that's where the messaging has kind of been a little bit kind of hard to understand, to put it mildly right. So I think the general premise that's out there is it's not going to cost the general taxpayer, the general San Antonian, whoever lives around here, anything, and that's simply not the case. I mean, there are going to be two taxes for this thing that they're going to try to get passed through, one in the fall and then one again in the spring. So the initial plan was to have two tasks tax asks on the November ballot, right? So the first ask is going to be whether or not the citizens of San Antonio want to have a tax increase for the hotel motel tax, the car rental tax that's already in place here in San Antonio, want to have a tax increase for the hotel motel tax, the car rental tax that's already in place here in San Antonio. The second ask is going to be lumped in with a bunch of other streets and pavement taxes and they're going to have to build the streets and the bridges and everything else that goes around this monstrosity downtown. So you know to say that it's not going to cost anybody anything. I think that's where they're losing some people, the Spurs are and those that want this. It's like nothing is coming for free in all this. And, yes, the Spurs are ponying up a sizable portion of the value of whatever it is it's going to cost to build this thing. And you know, I think it's.
Speaker 5:It's a tough one to actually draw a line in the sand and say I side with this group or this group, because, quite frankly, I see it from both sides of the aisle. I mean, our mayor, gina Ortiz Jones, has asked, I think, valid questions amongst all of this, and you know she's getting a lot of pushback. But you know, I'm not really sure I understand some of that, because she's just asking questions like what's the rush? Why do we have to have this on the ballot in November? Is this the best deal we can get for the city? All things that you would hope that somebody in a position of power would ask, when those same people are now going to have to go to the public and say, hey, in November we're going to ask you to vote yes for this, and then in the spring, we're going to ask you to vote for this.
Speaker 5:So you know, there's been a lot of back and forth going back between both sides and ultimately we're at the point where the voters will be asked to decide which way this thing is going to go, and you know how is it going to play out. Honestly, sean, I have no idea, no clue, because I've heard from people on both sides and you know, I guess it's one of those things. You know, we'll let the chips fall where they may. Here's my understanding, though. We'll see which way this goes in November. If the first tax ask doesn't pass, then, from what I understand, all bets are off, like the Spurs and the city have to have both of the tax asks or this project does not move forward in its current state state that's, and not to be broad surface level, but I mean it's.
Speaker 2:We're facing some similar situations here in Austin with, you know, increase in budget it's on the ballot here. You know people want to be taxed more on on their property taxes when it's already. The cost of living is high. Stevie, I know you've been to one. I know the Spurs made a commitment to come to Austin twice a year. There's two games and they actually lower the flaps at the Moody Center and they sell out. Yeah, I've heard this, chuck. I've been wanting to tell you this for a while and I don't say anything because I don't know anything. I don't want to be the old guy that thinks he knows everything because I don't. I just don't see the Spurs ever leaving San Antonio. There's some people here in Austin that think it's a possibility.
Speaker 5:What do you say to those types of people You're right. I mean, I've heard those rumors too, and then the way I understand it is this this is what I know if these two tax asks don't go through, then the spurs are going to weigh their options right. You would have to think that that would be the case anyway, but that, to my knowledge, is how it's going to go down. Now, what does that look like? I have no idea, because you know people are throwing out. Well, they're going to move, they's going to go down. Now, what does that look like? I have no idea, because you know people are throwing out. Well, they're going to move, they're going to go to Austin, they're going to go to Seattle, they're going to go to Vegas. Well, then you have to start spitballing this thing out, kind of at the 40,000 foot view.
Speaker 5:What does that look like for Austin? Does the University of Texas want 41 dates from an NBA basketball team in the Moody Center? Do they want dates that are partitioned off with no bookings being allowed, because you have to wait and see? The NBA makes all these facilities wait to see if your team makes the playoffs, and then so you have to leave your building essentially open with no bookings for, you know, mid-april and June and maybe part of July, while they hold these dates, if your team can somehow get to the NBA finals. So what does it look like there? So now you're talking about a whole nother can of worms.
Speaker 5:What does this look like from Austin?
Speaker 5:I have no idea.
Speaker 5:I don't know what the University of Texas is thinking, I don't know what the city planners there are thinking, I don't know what the Moody Center people are thinking, right, and then so you're thinking well, maybe Vegas or Seattle you know other cities that we've heard could be on the horizon, or very likely to be on the horizon for NBA expansion. Well, what does that look like? Does the NBA want to take a pre-existing team and have them move to Vegas or Seattle when there's some owner out there that we don't know exists yet that's going to have to pay an exorbitant fee to get into the NBA just to join the club. Right, they're going to have to pay billions just to get in. That's on top of already owning the team.
Speaker 5:So are there people out there like that that are willing to do that? I don't know. I mean, it's really hard, sean, to spitball this thing out into the splinters that it could fracture into, based on whatever does or doesn't happen in November, and then would have to happen again in May of next year, in order for me to really give you a good understanding of what does this look like now, when we really haven't crossed that bridge yet, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2:No, it does. And you know, stevie, he's lucky, he lives in Williamson County so he didn't have to worry about any tax increase, and that's going to affect Austin and Travis County, so that's great. But he is in real estate, so that does affect his business. Chuck, we have got to either way in November. Both of our cities could be affected in a major way, both of our cities in some way. But what does not change is that you and I are overdue for an old school rock concert and and cold beverages of whatever your choice is. It's on me.
Speaker 5:Sean, I would very much look forward to that. I was trying to think what Super Bowl were we at together when we were working pretty much side by side. Was it the Dallas Super Bowl? Or was it the one in Arizona where Eli had the miracle throw to Tyree? I can't remember which one it was.
Speaker 2:It was the one in Dallas, because I remember we were there for a week in ice and we would go to do our live shots on risers in 20 degree weather, which was absolutely awful, and then we would go to the Dallas Convention Center to find stories in warmth.
Speaker 5:So you know, I remember that vividly. Obviously I won't bore you guys too long.
Speaker 2:Too many stories you never bore us.
Speaker 5:That was the Super Bowl, you guys. Too long, too many stories never bore us. That was the super bowl. I got food poisoning from a kiosk in some place at the super bowl. I ate a roast beef sandwich and I took the lettuce off because I could tell the roast the lettuce was bad. What I didn't know was that the roast roast beef was also bad and I almost didn't make that Super Bowl. Man, you talk about playing injured man. I was just lucky I only had to go to the bathroom one time during that game. But it was all worth it because my Packers ended up winning the Super Bowl, so it was all good.
Speaker 2:Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy was the head coach, correct? Yes, he was he's yeah, he's a good human Packers were dropping like flies.
Speaker 5:All year Packers had 16 guys on IR. That year Woodson broke his collarbone in the first half. They somehow ham and egged it Won a Super Bowl in spite of all that stuff. It was pretty special against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2:That was a great Super Bowl. You know, stevie? I don't remember how old was Stevie. Well, stevie, you were just graduating from college. No, no, no, you were, I think, maybe 10 years out, I can't remember what year that was.
Speaker 5:Was that 2016? Stevie, you're dating us 2010.
Speaker 2:It was 2010. 2010.
Speaker 3:I was five years out of college.
Speaker 5:Oh, okay. Well, you weren't that young then, yeah no not at all. He was still in playing shoes, I thought you were going to say five years out of elementary school, then I was going to feel really bad.
Speaker 3:No, no, not at all, man, no. So I wanted to dive. I know we got to go and everything, but I would love to dive in a little bit more about the Spurs. My wife's family is from around the corner from the current stadium.
Speaker 2:No, kidding, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:She's a judson rocket. She's a judson rocket, but, uh, her mom and dad grew up right there. When her grandpa died, five years ago, they, we, sold the house that was literally walking distance to that stadium, right there, um, and then, um, her grandmother's house, uh, was taken over by eminent domain when they put in the the animal dome right there.
Speaker 3:So the church that my dad grew up in is around the corner, first Baptist Church right there, and so we know that area very, very well. We are there just about every year, and so we know that area very, very well. We are there just about every year.
Speaker 5:We have nieces and nephews that graduate but they use the other arena behind it, whatever that arena is called the Coliseum.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Coliseum, exactly so you know I love that area, but I do understand that they may need something else downtown. I don't see the San Antonio Spurs coming to Austin.
Speaker 2:I don't either.
Speaker 3:They just spent a ton of money building that new facility off of 1604. Is it off 1604 correct?
Speaker 5:Am I correct? Yeah, they have some new facilities around here and the AT&T Center is kind of up 35 north but around where you're talking about. So you know, it's man, it's nuanced, right. You said eminent domain, right? We're not even talking about like that aspect of it, right? And you know that almost hit close to me, when they were expanding 1604 by where I live, I was backed up to a green belt while they were talking about expanding 1604.
Speaker 5:There was some talk that a green belt While they were talking about expanding 1604, there was some talk that a couple of houses in our neighborhood might have to be just basically moved, and so you know this is a real thing that citizens have to deal with, right, and you know, again, it's very, very nuanced this whole thing. You're talking about building something like this, which, for sure, san Antonio needs and could use. It's just how's it going to look like, how do we get there and how do we do it with most of San Antonio seeing that this is a good thing that we need for the future and it pays for itself in the right way?
Speaker 3:Yeah, the one good thing about San Antonio is y'all citizens. The citizens there absolutely love the Spurs and they would riot if San Antonio Spurs left San Antonio. It would be horrible yeah.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, it would be horrible. I mean again, I think we're putting the cart before the horse on a lot of this stuff. Mean again. Yeah, we're really in a holding pattern until we see what happens in november and then, if they get the vote in november, we'll see what happens in may. But I know it's going to be coming up quick, so we'll be all watching, you know, with uh, faded breath, as they say yeah, hey, just like mike adams, I think chuck needs his own segment on here.
Speaker 2:Uh, to follow up. And when you get a chance, tell our mutual friend Jeff trailer. We said hello and then he he's, it's been. It's been a year since he's been on here, so it's time.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, you got to have him back. Man, he's always good, right, you just? Crack open the microphone and let him go. Yeah, he's one of those guys you you'd pay money to listen to, right? You're going to take something away from that that you can make in your own life better for you, right? He's just. He's good at not only coaching his kids, he's good at coaching the rest of us too, in terms of his uh worldly view on some stuff. So I love you, you're, you're.
Speaker 2:it's a great time to be in san antonio because I think Spurs are this close to being back. They're making progress. I think UTSA is doing a great job of pouring into that football program. We're talking about, I think, one of the best coaches in America just in a good human and speaking of good humans, Chuck McIntennich. Appreciate the friendship man. I'm glad we've stayed in touch all these years.
Speaker 5:Yeah, clinch, good, I'm glad you guys are doing all right, man. Thank you, stevie. I appreciate you guys having me on. It's a true honor I'm. I'm glad y'all you know, have somebody. You put me on. Let me air it all out and have somebody listen to me. My wife just goes, man. Can you find some place to put this on a podcast? She don't have to listen to me, yeah.
Speaker 3:Thanks for coming on, man, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Just like Jeff trailer. Hey, whenever Chuck speaks, you do learn something. One hundred percent. Hey, buddy Appreciate you fellas, we'll be in touch soon. We'll talk. If you need anything from us any way, we can help, let us know.
Speaker 5:You got it, Clinch.
Speaker 2:Thanks, bro. See you, brother. Hey, we're going to take a quick break On the other side. What mom boy moms go through when their boys are in the back seat, what they have conversations about. We'll end with some positivity, like we always do. We'll see you on the other side of this break, like we always do. We'll see you on the other side of this break. The Bully is a cozy Austin original bar and grill that feels like home. Boulevard Bar and Grill, nestled into this Northwest Hills strip mall, recently celebrated two decades. The drink prices are like going back to 2004. It's where familiar faces gather and everyone knows your name. The Bully family are also friends. We'll be right back.
Speaker 6:He's gonna help the team strategize, really motivate them light a fire.
Speaker 3:This guy's gonna block down. This guy's gonna block down you. Put your butt into the guard and that way my Mike Linebacker gets free to do what.
Speaker 6:Not only are they gonna learn a thing or two, but they're gonna also leave with a great attitude and a bunch of smiles on their faces.
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Speaker 2:Alright, stevie Lee, tiktok in the man cave. You know we like to keep it a little dirty around here because, tiktok, there's a lot of inappropriate things and it's absolutely priceless content sometimes. This one's absolutely hilarious For all the boy moms out there. You know how this woman feels, and when you have a husband who encourages the boys to continue their comments because little boys they have a tendency we all did it when we were little boys we always like to learn about the anatomy.
Speaker 4:There's dicks. Here's our dicks. Our dicks are right here, right there, right there. All three dicks in the car, and Mama doesn't even get the dicks, she gets the balls. No, she's got front buns.
Speaker 1:Get the buns Big dicks. Okay, that's enough.
Speaker 2:Mom reached her limits on that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Enough dick.
Speaker 1:Hey man, Tell me something good.
Speaker 2:All right, stevie Lee, positivity is the best thing, because you are a positive guy. We need more people like you in this world. And man, I know it's college football season. We got our first fill of tailgating, finally of the season, this past weekend, but what else is going on? What else is good? Tell me something good, my brother.
Speaker 3:Man, something good. I man, uh, something good. I was gonna go a totally different route, but now I'm pivoting. Uh, this weekend was my brother-in-law's birthday and they came up to town. I took them out, we did the touristy thing and went down dirty 6th street. But I will tell you, man, we had a really good time. I'm not gonna, we had a really good time.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to lie, I had a really good time watching the kids that were in college. When I was in college and when I was their age, I was watching how they moved and things that they were doing and I was like, oh my God, that was me, what was that? What was that? What? 23 years ago, you know. So it was fun to see that again.
Speaker 3:I haven't been on six dirty six street in a long time, and so we went down there because my in-laws wanted to take the touristy stuff, do the touristy stuff for his birthday and get a shot at every bar, a birthday shot at every bar. He didn't finish because he's old, he's older than me. Bar, a birthday shot at every bar uh, he didn't finish because he's old, he's older than me. So, um, but it was a lot of fun. Um, and hanging out with family.
Speaker 3:I got up the next morning. My other brother-in-law that lives here cooked us brunch. I got up here and went over there and ate brunch with them. Man, just family, man, family being out with family, hanging out with family, that's something good, man, if you have your family around you. Hug on them, man, and and and love on them and you know I was not dreading, but I have on the schedule to be with them next weekend because their family reunion is scheduled for next weekend and I was like told my parents to come in town so we can all go to their family reunion. So my folks are coming to town. I'm going to miss this home game because I'm hanging out with family, man, but I also I'm going to miss my Longhorn family, but I also would love to hang out with my family too, down in San Antonio. That's something good, man. It's warming my heart that we get to do that. I got people around me that love on my kids, love on my wife and actually love on me too. That's something good for me, man, something positive.
Speaker 2:That's great, you can go see your new friend Chuck McAtennett.
Speaker 3:There you go.
Speaker 2:There he is, that's great. And you got to go see your new friend, chuck McAtennett. There you go. No, I always play off of that man. It's always good, you know, it's especially for me. You know, and a lot of people are like me, where you just don't have a lot of family anymore. And I will say my family is comprised of my friends. Yeah, and I have cousins. I have cousins, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:I have a sister in houston and nieces and nephews but, for a while now and and it's the friends and it's tailgating and the game. I made a post on twitter I said family, um, it was good to see the DKR family again, yeah, and see so many familiar faces before, during and after. And, man, I'm so grateful because I'm glad I'm I'm taking the road year two of the season ticket as that, and that is just added to the fun of it. And you start developing other relationships and you got, you got a. You got a. You got a routine you go through so there it is.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to it. I'm not going to this weekend's game either. I'm gonna have to get those tickets into other somebody else's hands. For the great city of shreveport, louisiana, and the hardgrove roofing family and the the Stevie Lee and the Stevie Lee and his family from Shreveport and to my college Alma Mater town, nacogdoches hey, sfa, we're 0-2 right now, but we're going to flip that program around here this season. I promise you that. And to my beautiful hometown, austin, texas, where we've got great high school football here and the Anderson Trojans are 2-0, by the way, and so are another a large number of programs here and it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:And to everybody, everybody watching and listening, thank you, thank you so much for continuing to grow this on all the platforms. We appreciate it. Reach out to us, comment, let's have some fun. Maybe I'll surprise you and have a fan of the month. Come on and do a, do a segment with us. We love you. We love you like that, because that's telling you something good the people who follow this podcast. And lastly, to all the sponsors and our partners. You've not done it. Have a cold beverage at Boulevard Bar and Grill and go see our guy Dave Ramirez at Northwest Hills Liquor. Get your HVAC and plumbing needs at Honest Plumbing, and Air at Jim Sash to State Farm. He'll do you right. And to the OG man Cave boys, that being Harbaugh, harge, big Mike and the Coach Moe, what do we tell them, stevie Lee?
Speaker 3:We out.
Speaker 1:We out. You see the drip and I'm fitted up.
Speaker 3:I'm in my car, in a Gideon. I said get we out.